1819 shilling not in silver [gelöst]

Please find pics of an 1819 dated shilling in what looks to be bronze or copper and not silver . its detail is good and looks to good for a forgery and why would you forge it in bronze/copper anyway. It also looks to detailed and well made for a gaming token.

its 24mm weighs 5g and has reeded edge.

thoughts please

Thanks

Hi,

I don't like oval coins! Next time please take the photo perpendicular to the center of the coin and the image will be sharp and crispy all over.

You would forge a shilling in copper or brass because a shilling was worth 20 pence.
At that time a shilling was half a days pay for a laborer, or say £50 in today's money.
There were many, many "bad shillings" in circulation in the 19th century.
It was certainly silver colored when it was first made, and probobly re-silvered more than once.

Verweis : "Sjoelund"​Hi,
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​I don't like oval coins! Next time please take the photo perpendicular to the center of the coin and the image will be sharp and crispy all over.

​sorry, age and mobile phones don't go together. I will get professional help next time to meet your required standards.

Thanks for the useful insite to my query it was very helpful!

Thanks Mr midnight. I understand where your coming from I just thought it was strange there is not the slightest sign of any silver coating even between letters and numbers which I'd expect for a forgery.

Thank for the response.

Verweis : "Mr. Midnight"​You would forge a shilling in copper or brass because a shilling was worth 20 pence.
​At that time a shilling was half a days pay for a laborer, or say £50 in today's money.
​There were many, many "bad shillings" in circulation in the 19th century.
​It was certainly silver colored when it was first made, and probobly re-silvered more than once.

​a shilling was worth five pence

Sixpence, shillings and half crowns were forged in brass and then silvered to use in circulation, there are many examples of these fakes so it must have been done on an industrial scale. I have an example of each in my black museum of forgeries

Verweis : "Offa"​

Verweis : "Mr. Midnight"​You would forge a shilling in copper or brass because a shilling was worth 20 pence.
​​At that time a shilling was half a days pay for a laborer, or say £50 in today's money.
​​There were many, many "bad shillings" in circulation in the 19th century.
​​It was certainly silver colored when it was first made, and probobly re-silvered more than once.

​​a shilling was worth five pence

​A shilling was worth 12 pence....

Even pence and half pence were counterfeited at scale.

Verweis : "Mr. Midnight"

Verweis : "Offa​ "​​​a shilling was worth five pence

​​A shilling was worth 12 pence....​

​Technically, both of you are right. A shilling was worth 12 pre-decimal pence (1/20th of a pound), but was also worth five decimal pence (also 1/20th of a pound).

Verweis : "Mr. Midnight"​

Verweis : "Offa"​
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Verweis : "Mr. Midnight"​You would forge a shilling in copper or brass because a shilling was worth 20 pence.
​​​At that time a shilling was half a days pay for a laborer, or say £50 in today's money.
​​​There were many, many "bad shillings" in circulation in the 19th century.
​​​It was certainly silver colored when it was first made, and probobly re-silvered more than once.
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​​​a shilling was worth five pence

​​A shilling was worth 12 pence....
​
​Even pence and half pence were counterfeited at scale.
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Yes I know the poster I answered to used the decimal value not the imperial value. ​

Verweis : "Offa"​

Verweis : "Mr. Midnight"​
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Verweis : "Offa"​
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Verweis : "Mr. Midnight"​You would forge a shilling in copper or brass because a shilling was worth 20 pence.
​​​​At that time a shilling was half a days pay for a laborer, or say £50 in today's money.
​​​​There were many, many "bad shillings" in circulation in the 19th century.
​​​​It was certainly silver colored when it was first made, and probobly re-silvered more than once.
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​​

​​​​a shilling was worth five pence

​​​A shilling was worth 12 pence....
​​
​​Even pence and half pence were counterfeited at scale.
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​Yes I know the poster I answered to used the decimal value not the imperial value. ​

​that poster was me. I put 20 instead of 12, we were discussing the 19th century bad coinage trade.
please help me in my ignorance, what do you mean by decimal value?

One pound was and is made up by 20 of those coins.

Before decimalisation, it was worth 12 pennies. [12/240 = 1/20] 1 Shilling written on the coin
After decimalisation, it is worth 5 pence. [5/100 = 1/20] 5 Pence written on the coin

Verweis : "Mr. Midnight"​

Verweis : "Offa"​
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Verweis : "Mr. Midnight"​
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Verweis : "Offa"​
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Verweis : "Mr. Midnight"​You would forge a shilling in copper or brass because a shilling was worth 20 pence.
​​​​​At that time a shilling was half a days pay for a laborer, or say £50 in today's money.
​​​​​There were many, many "bad shillings" in circulation in the 19th century.
​​​​​It was certainly silver colored when it was first made, and probobly re-silvered more than once.
​​​
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​​​​​a shilling was worth five pence

​​​​A shilling was worth 12 pence....
​​​
​​​Even pence and half pence were counterfeited at scale.
​​​
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​​Yes I know the poster I answered to used the decimal value not the imperial value. ​

​​that poster was me. I put 20 instead of 12, we were discussing the 19th century bad coinage trade.
​please help me in my ignorance, what do you mean by decimal value?

The current decimal currency value of the pre decimal coins for example 1 shilling is 5 pence and 4 shillings is 20 pence​