Soviet Union 25 rubles 1961 serial number varieties [gelöst]

Numista page for P# 234 (https://en.numista.com/catalogue/note202408.html) lists serial number varieties that are not in Pick or Bank Note Museum. Note is indicated as being on lilac-tinted paper without UV activity or white paper with UV activity. The lilac paper is indicated as having prefix letters to serial number BIG, BIG while the white paper is indicated as having serial number prefix of BIG, small or small, BIG. This note that I found has UV activity so I assume it is white paper but am I right that the serial number prefix is BIG, BIG, which should only be on lilac-tinted paper. Should I add as another variety?


Bank Note Museum distinguishes between the papers although I can't really tell the difference on their photos. And they do not mention serial number varieties (http://www.banknote.ws/COLLECTION/countries/EUR/SOV/SOV0234.htm). SCWPM has same descriptions as Bank Note Museum.

Will

It is always a problem when some distinguish e.g. "ehite paper" and "brown paper", since it's often hard to tell of you only have one of the varieties, and are therefore unable to compare. Same with if it has "UV activitiy" or not. What do I do if I don't have a UV light (which I don't)? Then I cannot check and confirm.

What I do can tell is that your serial number definitely BIG BIG.

Cheers!

Thanks for replying, ngdawa. I have confirmed the UV with a light so I will assume it is white paper and submit a new variety for the BIG, BIG serial number. I have 4 of the notes and all have UV activity on reverse.

Will

Krause lists:
P-234a Lilac tinted paper, no UV activity
P-234b White paper, /w UV activity
P-234s Specimen

Russian catalogs give more detailed breakdowns:

Paper type 1: plain lilac-tinted paper
Paper type 2: glossy bright white paper

Paper type 1. No UV activity. Series АА-ББ.
Paper type 1. No UV activity. Special (experimental/replacement?) series ЯА or ЯВ.
Paper type 2. No UV activity, series ББ-ЛК.
Paper type 2. No UV activity, series Аа-Лх or Пп-См (series Лч-По were not printed).
Paper type 2. UV activity, w/ ultraviolet stamp "25 РУБЛЕЙ" with violet/light-blue colored frame around it. Series ЛЛ-ЭЯ.
Paper type 2. UV activity, w/ ultraviolet stamp "25 РУБЛЕЙ" with yellow/greenish colored frame around it. Series Аа-Лх or Пп-См (series Лч-По were not printed).

Plus specimens:
- Separate front and back single-sided w/ diagonal overprint (in red or black) "ОБРАЗЕЦ" and serial number АА 0000000
- Double-sided, perforated horizontally "ОБРАЗЕЦ", without a serial number

Sources:
http://fox-notes.ru/img_rus/USSR_1961_25_RUB_D030717A.htm
https://moneta-russia.ru/paper/bumazhnye-25-rubley-1961-goda-tsena.php
https://www.russian-money.ru/banknotes/sssr/1961-1992/25-rublej-1961--211
http://shopcoins.narod.ru/25_1961_1BB.html

ps: As far as I can tell, there is no small,small variety, so it should probably be removed.

Verweis : "Houseofham"​Russian catalogs give more detailed breakdowns:
​
​Paper type 1: plain lilac-tinted paper
​Paper type 2: glossy bright white paper
​
​Paper type 1. No UV activity. Series АА-ББ.
​Paper type 1. No UV activity. Special (experimental/replacement?) series ЯА or ЯВ.
​Paper type 2. No UV activity, series ББ-ЛК.
​Paper type 2. No UV activity, series Аа-Лх or Пп-См (series Лч-По were not printed).
​Paper type 2. UV activity, w/ ultraviolet stamp "25 РУБЛЕЙ" with violet/light-blue colored frame around it. Series ЛЛ-ЭЯ.
​Paper type 2. UV activity, w/ ultraviolet stamp "25 РУБЛЕЙ" with yellow/greenish colored frame around it. Series Аа-Лх or Пп-См (series Лч-По were not printed).
​
​Plus specimens:
​- Separate front and back single-sided w/ diagonal overprint (in red or black) "ОБРАЗЕЦ" and serial number АА 0000000
​- Double-sided, perforated horizontally "ОБРАЗЕЦ", without a serial number
​
​Sources:
​http://fox-notes.ru/img_rus/USSR_1961_25_RUB_D030717A.htm
​https://moneta-russia.ru/paper/bumazhnye-25-rubley-1961-goda-tsena.php
​https://www.russian-money.ru/banknotes/sssr/1961-1992/25-rublej-1961--211
​http://shopcoins.narod.ru/25_1961_1BB.html
​
​ps: As far as I can tell, there is no small,small variety, so it should probably be removed.
​

​This should be added to the banknote page ASAP! Great information, cheers!

Also, in my experience, serial numbers starting with Я are replacements. This goes for Mongolia, so I it's te same with Russia/USSR.

Verweis : "ngdawa"​​This should be added to the banknote page ASAP! Great information, cheers!

​Feel free.