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I found this coin from the old box. There is one odd between the coins which is 15 kopeek 1982 RED (?) Soviet coin. First I thought it happened by accident which someone drop or maybe painted red paint over it. On second thought I think it decayed over the time, but none of my coins decayed like that colour. Also, I see that red paint is on the coin but not on any curves (neither on nomination curve nor year curve) and it is so detailed. Can you identify this coin, what is the real deal of this coin? I couldn’t find anything on Internet.
In my opinion, if this were environmental damage, it would be more uniform across the coin. I have seen a nickel-brass coin oxidized to a reddish-brown color, but it was more uniform.
I agree this coin has been painted, and then worn down. If you think about any painting process, the paint would have a tendency to run down off the high spots and into the fields before drying, thinning the paint layer on the high spots compared to the fields. And then during circulation, the paint would wear off the high spots first.
many machines (lockers at railway stations, gaming machines, etc.) accepted a 15-kopeck coin. after the collapse of the USSR, these machines continued to be used, but coins depreciated and were used as tokens. people had a lot of coins left in their hands, and they tried to use them instead of buying the same tokens. so the owners of the machines painted them to distinguish them from ordinary ones.
do not invent or reinvent the wheel. A very common and common occurrence - oxidation of copper-nickel alloy in soil. Аll Soviet coins of large denominations look like this after the earth. Аny metal detector fan in the post-Soviet space will confirm this. Red is oxidized copper. A few examples from my coins, just your coin was heavily washed with an abrasive and some of the red patina has worn off.
If during the oxidation of the surface, a soil emulsion gets inside the patina, it acquires a brown-brown color with red shades. If oxidation does not occur in the ground, but somewhere in a humid environment, then the color can be of all sorts of red shades like paint. And of course, as the most unlikely option, we can assume that some maniac painted the coin red
Verweis : "omant"I do not invent, but I know exactly what I'm talking about - I used such tokens in the 90's
here is an example of black painted coin - https://15kop.ru/coins/gallery/#1
here is examples of green painted coins https://coins.lave.ru/forum/pic/2786943.jpg
I also saw red painted and blue painted coins
try to translate this site about 15 kopeks coin - https://15kop.ru/coins/
Greetings, thank you very much, your information will be very useful to us when we research 15 kopeck Soviet coins!!!
You have done a great job and we are very grateful to you for that, Dear Omant!
It is very difficult to study the materials you have submitted, due to the lack of an English version of the written, but we will also be happy to consider all the pictures that are present there, about these truly legendary coins.
"С 1975-го и до 1992 года в игровые автоматы опускали обыкновенные монеты, бывшие в ходу. Но после распада СССР советские монеты были выведены из обращения и владельцам игрушек нового поколения пришлось переходить на жетоны. Поскольку настоящих жетонов наштамповать еще не успели, вместо них использовались те же самые монеты, но по возможности видоизмененные. Монеты красили черной краской или выбивали на них символы и продавали, например, по 100 рублей."
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"From 1975 to 1992, ordinary coins that were in use were lowered into slot machines. But after the collapse of the USSR, Soviet coins were withdrawn from circulation and the owners of new generation toys had to switch to tokens. Since the real tokens had not yet been stamped, the same coins were used instead, but modified if possible. Coins were painted with black paint or symbols were stamped on them and sold, for example, for 100 rubles."
Verweis : "omant"haha.
quote from the site
"Поскольку настоящих жетонов наштамповать еще не успели, вместо них использовались те же самые монеты, но по возможности видоизмененные. Монеты красили черной краской или выбивали на них символы "
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ха-ха.
поскольку жетонов наштамповать не успели, то они стали красить черной краской монеты выведенные из обращения. Но мне, ровно как и множеству других не менее уважаемых слушателей и зрителей мы весьма в недоумении, почему не использовать монеты в качестве жетонов так, как есть. Ведь они уже деноминализированы? Зачем тратить весьма дефицитную и крайне вредную для здоровья детей и беременных женщин черную краску, которую с высокой долей вероятности можно использовать для других нужд, например чтобы покрасить забор, могилу или танк, но необходимо красить монеты, чтобы превратить их в жетоны? Если монеты уже выведены из обращения и не представляют собой совершенно никакой покупательной или какой другой ценности? Мы все здесь находимся в крайнем недоумении уже длительное времени в совершенной невозможности постичь всю логичность произошедшего! Очень просим нас извинить, но в указанном вами очень интересном исследовании речь идет только о черной краске? Потому как о монете, о которой мы высказали свои предположения, речь шла о совершенно другом оттенке. И нам очень сложно и крайне затруднительно представить ситуацию в которой черная краска превращается в красную. Возможно это должно было иметь место в каком-нибудь цирке в виде необычайных фокусов. Или если речь идет о красной краске, а не какой-либо другой, то возможно это символ красного флага Советского Союза и это было сделано умышленно.
very simple. you will not be able to sell an old coin at the new token price to someone who has a lot of old coins in the piggy bank. you will suffer losses until you can distinguish your coins from those brought in from outside.
new letters were first embossed on them to distinguish them from ordinary coins. but it proved inconvenient to consider each of them. subsequently, the coins were painted so that they could be seen immediately. and the color is not red again. in different places used different paint - what a surprise!
Are these coin tokens popular with collectors? And is their price different from the price of ordinary coins? As far as I have come across tokens at auctions, in most of them either the price is too low or there is no interest. Аnd in your country I even see fan web resources for such decorated coins. Although in the understanding of most collectors, such coins will be considered spoiled. And many of my acquaintances will simply throw away such a coin, than waste time identifying and discussing it.
Thank you for the useful and interesting information from the history of your country, but I think that such a coin is not worth the time we spend discussing it.
I just answered the question in a few sentences. You began to doubt and remember the wheel. So I explain more than I planned. I can add even more.
The feature of the 15 kopeck coin is that it was the standard price for all children's game machines. some people have their own special reasons and memories associated with this denomination. What seems insignificant to you may be valuable to someone even today. A hundred years will pass and these tokens will be valued more than ordinary coins of the same year because their number is several orders of magnitude smaller.
Let's see right here https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces2084.html
as you can see some years are quite rare. it is difficult to collect all the years. in addition, there are very rare versions of stamps, which are not reflected in the catalog. so even an ordinary 15 kopeck coin can be expensive.
2 Weeks later I came back to the forum and learnt a lot from your answers and research, guys, thank you so much about this. I also believe that, it is not an oxidation process. In the box there are lots of old soviet coins and neither of them oxidized like that. I believe it was used as a token. I want to know how can I determine the price of this coin? I researched the second-hand and shopping sites from my country, Azerbaijan, but couldn’t find any coin like that. Should I go to specific numismatic shop or I can find via Internet?
I do not think that the cost of such a colored coin will be more than an ordinary unpainted one.
This is the most common coin from the pre-euro period. Аnd for many collectors the fact of painting it will serve as a decrease in its value and not an exclusivity.
Іt seems to me that if the colored coins were different from the usual ones, then a huge number of colored coins would appear on the market, since it is not difficult to paint a coin at home.
Verweis : "Walter_Scott"I do not think that the cost of such a colored coin will be more than an ordinary unpainted one.
This is the most common coin from the pre-euro period. Аnd for many collectors the fact of painting it will serve as a decrease in its value and not an exclusivity.
I have to agree with Walter-Scott. From an historical point of view the colored coins may have some merit but from a numismatic point of view these are just PMD so for most collectors the painting indeed will be a decrease in price in stead of an increase.
Verweis Essor ProfI have to agree with Walter-Scott . З historical point of view the colored coins may have some merit but from numismatic point of view there just PMD si for most collectors painting indeed will be decrease in price in stead of an increase.
the time will come and collectors will argue over how to distinguish genuine Soviet paint from capitalist counterfeiting. and some numismatists, or rather exonumists, will wonder if this coin really touched the hands of hundreds of Soviet pioneers? which of these games did they play with this coin from my collection? can my grandfather use this coin?
Verweis : "omant"when the robots start collecting, then this token will increase in price.
You have a very misunderstanding of the basics of trading. The price rises either with an increase in the number of buyers or with a decrease in units of goods. An increase in the number of collectors is not expected in the near future. A lot of research in the field of antiques marketing shows that the majority of collectors are people over 40 years old. And every year there are fewer and fewer of us. Young people now have other interests. Most likely philately received the greatest damage. With regret, I have to watch how huge collections are thrown into the sale for a pittance. I remember the huge interest in collecting at 70s and 80s. Now young people are interested in Instagram.
Your tokens are also not unique in your forecasts for the future. Considering the circulation of Soviet coins and the huge amount of these tokens. As far as I can guess from my experience, the number of token collectors is always an order of magnitude less than ordinary collectors, but they also prefer to collect 18th century tokens than modern ones.
Let's be realistic - that you want to imagine in your dreams will never happen.
