Specifying a license for your pictures in the catalogue

Hello,

If you contribute pictures to the catalogue, you can now specify a license, so that everyone can know which usage of your pictures are permitted. Go to your account settings to choose the license of your pictures in the catalogue:

This change also includes a new page to see a list of your pictures which are currently used in the catalogue:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/contributions/my_pictures.php

When the owner of a picture specifies a license, it will appear next to the picture and in the API. So everyone can reuse the picture under the conditions of the license, without having to ask the owner.

See also the article: “Can I reuse pictures from the Numista catalogue for a book, a magazine, a website, etc.?”

Nice addition.

“My” list of pictures include many which aren't mine at all but from multiple other members.

Example:

Before changing License:

After I changed License:

I like it 👍

I also have some I uploaded in the name of other members. 

Maybe we can create a field were we can specify our default “copyright” name this would prevent some misspellings were we get obverse: ABC; reverse ABc. We would still need a possibility to use a different one like in the case of second hand uploads.

Of course this would need the possibility to use the copy right text not the upload account and it may also be a very minor “problem” and no change is needed at all.

Edit: Argh, I miss the BBcode a bit after all 🥲

Without contacting a lawyer, what does each category mean?

rsirian1

Nice addition.

 

“My” list of pictures include many which aren't mine at all but from multiple other members.

 

Example:

Before changing License:

 

After I changed License:

And doesn't show up in my list .. where it belongs 😪
Something wrong somewhere in the database 🙄

BramVB

rsirian1

Nice addition.

 

“My” list of pictures include many which aren't mine at all but from multiple other members.

 

Example:

Before changing License:

 

After I changed License:

And doesn't show up in my list .. where it belongs 😪
Something wrong somewhere in the database 🙄

Sorry for that. I'm looking at it.

Peter M. Graham

Without contacting a lawyer, what does each category mean?

• CC BY: You allow everyone to use your pictures, provided they mention you as the author
• CC BY-SA: Same as CC BY + if they make a new picture from your picture, they should also release it under the same license CC BY-SA.
• CC BY-NC: You allow everyone to use your pictures for non-commercial projects, provided they mention you as the author
• CC BY-NC-SA: Same as CC BY-NC+ if they make a new picture from your picture, they should also release it under the same license CC BY-NC-SA.
• CC0: You allow everyone to use your pictures as they want, with no constraints

The links point to more precise and complete definitions, which are still understandable for non-legal people.

Hello,

The owners of pictures in the database are not recorded properly, and it's difficult to retroactively identify the owner of each picture.

For this reason, I have to deactivate this new feature, at least until I find a solution.

The little time I had to see this new feature was interesting…!

I hope you find a solution.

Xavier

For this reason, I have to deactivate this new feature, at least until I find a solution.

Pity, it was a nice feature. Hope you get it fixed soon 😕

Xavier

Hello,

The owners of pictures in the database are not recorded properly, and it's difficult to retroactively identify the owner of each picture.

For this reason, I have to deactivate this new feature, at least until I find a solution.

Why not to just put such pictures under the most strict license allowing to use them only to Numista until further notice?

Grinya

Xavier

Hello,

The owners of pictures in the database are not recorded properly, and it's difficult to retroactively identify the owner of each picture.

For this reason, I have to deactivate this new feature, at least until I find a solution.

Why not to just put such pictures under the most strict license allowing to use them only to Numista until further notice?

Good idea.

I don't see the option to do this on my settings page.

 Look five replies above yours, and the answer why is there. 😐 

ZacUK

 Look five replies above yours, and the answer why is there. 😐 

Yes, I overlooked that.

Hello 

I fixed the majority of attribution errors and reactivated this functionality 

I remind everyone that, when adding a picture to the catalogue, the option “I made the picture myself” is only for pictures that you made yourself. If you are uploading someone else's picture, please select “The picture comes from somewhere else”.

In case you find pictures that are not from you in the list of your personal pictures, pleas update the coin/banknote page to change the picture source to “The picture comes from somewhere else”.

Xavier

Hello 

 

I fixed the majority of attribution errors and reactivated this functionality 

 

I remind everyone that, when adding a picture to the catalogue, the option “I made the picture myself” is only for pictures that you made yourself. If you are uploading someone else's picture, please select “The picture comes from somewhere else”.

 

In case you find pictures that are not from you in the list of your personal pictures, pleas update the coin/banknote page to change the picture source to “The picture comes from somewhere else”.

 Thanks - I find that most are my pictures, but some are where I just cropped them - 

so I am making a few change requests to put back the name of the original uploader. 😐 

ZacUK

 Thanks - I find that most are my pictures, but some are where I just cropped them - 

so I am making a few change requests to put back the name of the original uploader. 😐 

You can't assign a picture to someone else just by entering back their name.

The best way to handle this situation is to enter the name and select “The picture comes from somewhere else”, then the picture will appear in nobody's list of personal picture. It just means that this person won't see the picture in their list and they can't specify the license for that specific picture. If it's really an issue, you can send me the list of pictures and I'll set them back as personal pictures of the original author of the picture.

The best way to handle such cases in the future is to select “Keep the source unchanged” when you upload an edited version of the picture of another person.

‘set them back as personal pictures of the original author of the picture’. 

 Yes - that IS what I am doing. 

Not sure how you mis-interpreted what I wrote. 

 Incidentally, when choosing a coin down the list, and amending the page, 

when going back afterwards to the list - it does not go back to the same place 

down the page - it goes higher or lower. Thanks! 

“Keep the source unchanged” 

 Again - that is what I have ALWAYS done - I would never put my name below a picture I have cropped. 

Why would anyone? 

 Lastly, while I am calming down, does that link in your message update 

straight away - or overnight? One of the changes I just made has speedily 

been approved, but refreshing the list still shows as being mine. Thanks 

 P.S. Finished - I have seven pages on my link, with 100 entries per page, 

and there are hardly any that should not be there. Only about 8 I think from 

over 700 lines. 👍 

It refreshes real-time.

Sorry if I was not clear earlier. There is no way to set a picture as a personal picture of someone else. You can only set it as coming from another source, so that at least it doesn't appear in your list of personal pictures.

‘There is no way to set a picture as a personal picture of someone else’. 

Confusing. 

  Does that mean since the very first page was created many years ago - or does 

that mean today? Because that is wrong - sometimes referees get change requests where 

the only request is to put a name below an existing picture. 

 Why should a page creator - and hence picture uploader - no longer have their name 

put back below their own pictures? 

 Your ‘coming from another source’ is wrong - it is NOT coming from another source - 

it is coming from whomever created the page - and somehow over time their name got lost below. 

 Then the other way round also - in the list for that uploader their uploaded page would not show. 

Something wrong somewhere surely. Just asking, as calmly as I can. 

I must be missing something from this discussion.

It seems to me that if the picture is yours, put your name below it.  If it's not, put “from another source”.  If a creator asks to put their name under it because it is theirs, put their name.

From the dialogue here it sounds like that's what Xavier is saying/asking, and that's what you are doing ZacUK.  So it doesn't seem like there is any issue.

Am I incorrect in this presumption?

 I think so. 

There is one very good member that does a lot of picture cropping - 

I approve them as soon as I see the requests. All that is done is just 

cropping the picture - there is no name change under the picture. 

Yet - I would not like to see the kind of list that that member has! 

 The list should only include the original uploader - not whomever changed it later. 

That is my 'argument'. Also that list does not ‘refresh real-time’ - 

I have some changed and approved a few hours ago but they are still there. 

 I will wait until tomorrow - both to calm down and see if they disappear. 

For me it updated after I verified my changes in my refereed country immediately. 

The only thing I don't really like is that there are now a bunch of “other source” pictures of legitimate pictures aka. not stolen ones.

But maybe the stigma wanes a bit after this feature is completely rolled out. 

Slipstreamed

I must be missing something from this discussion.

 

 

You are correct.  You're missing something.  The issue has nothing to do with the text below the picture but with who the system records as the "owner" of the picture.  For example, if I upload a picture to a coin page and enter “Slipstreamed” as the name to display I am still the owner of record, not you.  

On a new coin page there are 3 choices for source. Only when I select the “I made the picture myself" choice will the system make me the owner (even if I entered “Mickey Mouse” as the name to display).  When editing an existing coin page there is one additional choice “Keep the source unchanged” which will cause the system to retain the previous owner.  That's the choice that should be used when doing CCIP's.

rsirian1

Slipstreamed

I must be missing something from this discussion.

 

 

You are correct.  You're missing something.  The issue has nothing to do with the text below the picture but with who the system records as the "owner" of the picture.  For example, if I upload a picture to a coin page and enter “Slipstreamed” as the name to display I am still the owner of record, not you.  

 

On a new coin page there are 3 choices for source. Only when I select the “I made the picture myself" choice will the system make me the owner (even if I entered “Mickey Mouse” as the name to display).  When editing an existing coin page there is one additional choice “Keep the source unchanged” which will cause the system to retain the previous owner.  That's the choice that should be used when doing CCIP's.

Ah!!  Thank you, I see now!

rsirian1

Slipstreamed

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 That's the choice that should be used when doing CCIP's.

Exactly what is done:  https://en.numista.com/forum/topic49676.html

Probably I should have explained with more details earlier.

When you add a picture to the catalogue, Numista will save 3 types of information related to the copyright:

• The type of source, with 3 possible values: a personal picture from the use themself, an authorized website, or another source
• If the source is the user or another source, the user can add a copyright mention. This copyright can be the username, the real name of the user, a reference to a public-domain book, etc.
• The identification of the user who posted the picture and added the copyright source and mention.

The list of your personal pictures shows all the pictures which meet two conditions:

1. The source is a personal picture from the use themself.
2. The user who posted the picture is you.

The name in the copyright mention is not taken into account for this functionality for two reasons:

• The copyright mention is not necessarily a username. Many people prefer to show their first name, their full name or a nickname.
• I can't trust the copyright mention, since anyone could enter any username without that user even knowing about it.

For these reasons, using the identification of the user who posted the picture as a criterion is more reliable.

There were some bugs with recording the identification of the user who posted pictures . These bugs have been fixed so that future edits of coin pages won't result in recording the wrong user. Also I spent the past couple of days to fix most of the past wrong recording of user. Unfortunately there are still some mis-attributions that I can not identify.

ZacUK, I also just fixed a few more wrong recoding of the user from your list. If you (or anyone) see more wrong attributions, feel free to send me the coin N# and I'll correct the user.

Following these fix, the user is recorded as follows:

• If you post a new picture and you select “I made the picture myself”, you are recorded as the user who posted the picture.
• If you post a picture and you select “Keep the source unchanged”, the identification of the user is not changed.
• If you edit a page and change the copyright mention without posting a new picture, the identification of the user is not changed.

I have done a couple of CCIPs but non show up in my list … so if you choose keep the source it seems to work . When the referee clicks on the source button it might still lead to my account not hundred percent sure about that though.

Edit: explained by the above post

Idolenz

I have done a couple of CCIPs but non show up in my list … so if you choose keep the source it seems to work . When the referee clicks on the source button it might still lead to my account not hundred percent sure about that though.

The link below the picture showing the type of source (visible only to referees) leads to the profile of the user who posted the picture. As I described above, the identification of the user is not changed when you select “Keep the source unchanged”. So the link still leads to the original author of the picture.

OK, based on this system is there a way to apply it to pictures I have on the paid file server.

I was thinking it would be a great way to offer sub variety's based on who gives permission on which file.

Would take no more room on the server, as the picture is already there.

So, I haven't contacted a lawyer yet…………

I'll post a picture taken by someone else (the Seller, whom is much more adept at coin photography) but, I own the coin.

What do I set my copyright permission to?

Unless you have hired/asked the seller to take a picture of your coin for you, the ownership of the pictures has nothing to do with your ownership of the motive.

Maybe there is some agreement of a transfer with the buying, but I doubt that very much.

Just take your own pictures, it's not that hard and can be fun.

All Images that I have taken that have (Ian) next to them and that  I have put onto Numista are there for the use and enjoyment of those who like to use them the only thing that Numista and my self would get annoyed about is if that image was used for Criminal intent. 

Peter M. Graham

So, I haven't contacted a lawyer yet…………

 

I'll post a picture taken by someone else (the Seller, whom is much more adept at coin photography) but, I own the coin.

 

What do I set my copyright permission to?

The coin is yours, the picture is theirs.