Is this a rare date? (Gelderland 1 gulden, 1727)

I have this gelderland gulden from 1727, bought it for 35€

I seem to not be able to find this exact date, is it a rare date?

Not even the NNC (national numismatic collection) has this date on a gulden from gelderland.

The place I did find it, had no information on it whatsoever, and it was in a horrible state: (turns out it's one from 1712 (not my coin, but the one that that polish seller had)).

Looks like something between these two:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces272932.html

N#38880 

FlyingRedPanda

Looks like something between these two:

 

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces272932.html

N#38880 

True, it's a Dutch 1 guilder

But it's not from West Friesland or Utrecht, it's from Gelderland
 

I have this same silver coin and can tell you it is a genuine one. If you ever list it somewhere, i ll get it off your hands lol.  

xrp

I have this same silver coin and can tell you it is a genuine one. If you ever list it somewhere, i ll get it off your hands lol.  

Do you have pictures of your coin?

If so, could you possibly send them?

I think xrp may mean they have this type.

Whenever we see a coin of an unreported date for a well-known type, I think we always need to ask “what else could it be?”  So, for the other coin mentioned, that was claimed to be a 1727, it turns out to be a 1712 with lots of wear on the date, and the privy mark mistaken for a 7.

I admit that in the case of your coin, it looks more like it could be 1727.  However, because of the wear, we cannot be sure.  Here is a 1723 Gelderland silver gulden where I have “worn away” the bottom of the date, and I think it could easily be mistaken for 1727:

Edit.  I found another 1723 which gives some additional evidence.  On this one I have again “worn away” the date on tyhe obverse, but the reverse has the thin G in BELG, different from the thick G in 1 G and ARG.  This matches the shapes of these letters on your reverse (of course it could be possible the die was used at a later date, so this does not absolutely exclude other explanations).

My best guess is that you may have a 1723.

tdziemia

I think xrp may mean they have this type.

 

Whenever we see a coin of an unreported date for a well-known type, I think we always need to ask “what else could it be?”  So, for the other coin mentioned, that was claimed to be a 1727, it turns out to be a 1712 with lots of wear on the date, and the privy mark mistaken for a 7.

 

I admit that in the case of your coin, it looks more like it could be 1727.  However, because of the wear, we cannot be sure.  Here is a 1723 Gelderland silver gulden where I have “worn away” the bottom of the date, and I think it could easily be mistaken for 1727:

 

 

Edit.  I found another 1723 which gives some additional evidence.  On this one I have again “worn away” the date on tyhe obverse, but the reverse has the thin G in BELG, different from the thick G in 1 G and ARG.  This matches the shapes of these letters on your reverse (of course it could be possible the die was used at a later date, so this does not absolutely exclude other explanations).

   

 

 

My best guess is that you may have a 1723.

 

 

Thanks for the information!

I'll research it a bit further, such as comparing and using a magnifying glass.

As discussed by PM, when I look at other types struck in Gelderland in the early 1700s (duit, 2 stuivers, 6 stuivers, 3 gulden, ducaton, ducat), they all have a gap for 1724-1729 (or longer).  This might mean the mint was not operating in those years.

But it could still make sense to get the coin (or photos) to one of the specialists in the Netherlands (Schulman, Heritage Europe, etc.), since your analysis of the photos still leaves open the possibility of the last digit being a 7.