Slavonia hamered fake? [gelöst]

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16mm, 0.75g bilon..copper+ silver I think.

It is first time when I see this tipe of coin made out of this material witch make me think is a fake.

Your coin is Denar from Bela IV. period of Croatian-Hungarian Kingdom, originally minted in Pakrac city, but there is also possibility of being Zagreb Mint

 

N#71650

N#47732

 

 

Well depending on where you got the coin we can try to figure out if it is possible fake.

What makes you think it is fake, size? It is not particularly valuable coin, and quality control was not particuarly good back then. And I have seen severely tarnished silver before which reacted with chemicals and soil and looked even worse. Keep in mind your coin is made of silver, but it was not pure silver.

 

I have seen these kind of coins being sold at some historical tourist areas in Hungary for cheap, can be found in numismatics shops there too. Lets say 50 euros a piece. 

 

 

If you want to check that it is silver (and destroy the value of coin) just put in some acid for awhile

I see nothing wrong with your coin. The only question is the first letter as it is mottled and difficult to make out for definitive identification.  S (R)? , H (R)? etc.

 

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/moonmoth/coins/slavonia_001.html

I cant put link for coin sales from ma-shops.de, but there is sample similar to yours, 16 mm in diameter, 0,91 g weight for sale, cleaned, almost certainly not fake for ard 50 euros too. So your coin is well within tolerable size and weight

It's real. These coins were minted a lot longer than the Bela IV period, in fact they were minted for almost 150 years by different rulers. While at first they were good silver the amount of silver was gradually lowered. 

 

The mint mark is S R and while I can't identify the exact ruler I'm pretty sure it's not Bela IV., under his rule the coins were still made of good silver. My guess would be V. Istvan N#34626

 

On a sidenote 50 euro is in my opinion way too much for such a coin. On the Croatian market, where these coins are most commonly found, an example like this would go for 5-10 euro at most. I don't remember all the mints but I do remember S R is one of the most common ones and for 50 euros you can get a high detail example. Price of course goes up with rarity but S R is not it.

I collect and deal in ancient Roman coin. In case you're looking for affordable ancient coins or need any help with the coins you already have send me a message.

cro321

 

On a sidenote 50 euro is in my opinion way too much for such a coin. On the Croatian market, where these coins are most commonly found, an example like this would go for 5-10 euro at most. I don't remember all the mints but I do remember S R is one of the most common ones and for 50 euros you can get a high detail example. Price of course goes up with rarity but S R is not it.

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/moonmoth/coins/slavonia_001.html

harryg

cro321

 

On a sidenote 50 euro is in my opinion way too much for such a coin. On the Croatian market, where these coins are most commonly found, an example like this would go for 5-10 euro at most. I don't remember all the mints but I do remember S R is one of the most common ones and for 50 euros you can get a high detail example. Price of course goes up with rarity but S R is not it.

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/moonmoth/coins/slavonia_001.html

Ahhh, very useful! I'll have to bookmark this, thanks!

 

Guess I was right with it being V. Istvan, Istvan = Stephen. 😃

I collect and deal in ancient Roman coin. In case you're looking for affordable ancient coins or need any help with the coins you already have send me a message.

It was found with metal detector same place as this one witch also looks strange to me. It supose to be Ferdinand curved shield' but looks like a fake.

 

Well depending on where you got the coin we can try to figure out if it is possible fake.

What makes you think it is fake, size? It is not particularly valuable coin, and quality control was not particuarly good back then. And I have seen severely tarnished silver before which reacted with chemicals and soil and looked even worse. Keep in mind your coin is made of silver, but it was not pure silver.

 

I have seen these kind of coins being sold at some historical tourist areas in Hungary for cheap, can be found in numismatics shops there too. Lets say 50 euros a piece. 

 

 

If you want to check that it is silver (and destroy the value of coin) just put in some acid for awhile

 

 

xrp

Your coin is Denar from Bela IV. period of Croatian-Hungarian Kingdom, originally minted in Pakrac city, but there is also possibility of being Zagreb Mint

 

N#71650

N#47732

 

 

Well depending on where you got the coin we can try to figure out if it is possible fake.

What makes you think it is fake, size? It is not particularly valuable coin, and quality control was not particuarly good back then. And I have seen severely tarnished silver before which reacted with chemicals and soil and looked even worse. Keep in mind your coin is made of silver, but it was not pure silver.

 

I have seen these kind of coins being sold at some historical tourist areas in Hungary for cheap, can be found in numismatics shops there too. Lets say 50 euros a piece. 

 

 

If you want to check that it is silver (and destroy the value of coin) just put in some acid for awhile

 

 

I have Bela and other from Slavonia witch are pure silver coins and very beautiful shape. This is copper 50% I thing.

rnumista

It was found with metal detector same place as this one witch also looks strange to me. It supose to be Ferdinand curved shield' but looks like a fake.

 

Well depending on where you got the coin we can try to figure out if it is possible fake.

What makes you think it is fake, size? It is not particularly valuable coin, and quality control was not particuarly good back then. And I have seen severely tarnished silver before which reacted with chemicals and soil and looked even worse. Keep in mind your coin is made of silver, but it was not pure silver.

 

I have seen these kind of coins being sold at some historical tourist areas in Hungary for cheap, can be found in numismatics shops there too. Lets say 50 euros a piece. 

 

 

If you want to check that it is silver (and destroy the value of coin) just put in some acid for awhile

 

 

 

One coin per post please. Start another thread.

rnumista

It was found with metal detector same place as this one witch also looks strange to me. It supose to be Ferdinand curved shield' but looks like a fake.

 

Well depending on where you got the coin we can try to figure out if it is possible fake.

What makes you think it is fake, size? It is not particularly valuable coin, and quality control was not particuarly good back then. And I have seen severely tarnished silver before which reacted with chemicals and soil and looked even worse. Keep in mind your coin is made of silver, but it was not pure silver.

 

I have seen these kind of coins being sold at some historical tourist areas in Hungary for cheap, can be found in numismatics shops there too. Lets say 50 euros a piece. 

 

 

If you want to check that it is silver (and destroy the value of coin) just put in some acid for awhile

 

 

 

Forgery from the era of the Hungarian denarius from 1540, Janos Szpolyai. The date is quite visible. However, the forger didn't know the letters, which is sweet, on the reverse almost well, but the obverse is an arbitrary use of the letters on the die.

N#36850

Mariusz

rnumista

It was found with metal detector same place as this one witch also looks strange to me. It supose to be Ferdinand curved shield' but looks like a fake.

 

Well depending on where you got the coin we can try to figure out if it is possible fake.

What makes you think it is fake, size? It is not particularly valuable coin, and quality control was not particuarly good back then. And I have seen severely tarnished silver before which reacted with chemicals and soil and looked even worse. Keep in mind your coin is made of silver, but it was not pure silver.

 

I have seen these kind of coins being sold at some historical tourist areas in Hungary for cheap, can be found in numismatics shops there too. Lets say 50 euros a piece. 

 

 

If you want to check that it is silver (and destroy the value of coin) just put in some acid for awhile

 

 

 

Forgery from the era of the Hungarian denarius from 1540, Janos Szpolyai. The date is quite visible. However, the forger didn't know the letters, which is sweet, on the reverse almost well, but the obverse is an arbitrary use of the letters on the die.

N#36850

Mariusz..this is not the same. One is curved shield and letters witch indicate Ferdinand

rnumista

Mariusz

rnumista

It was found with metal detector same place as this one witch also looks strange to me. It supose to be Ferdinand curved shield' but looks like a fake.

 

Well depending on where you got the coin we can try to figure out if it is possible fake.

What makes you think it is fake, size? It is not particularly valuable coin, and quality control was not particuarly good back then. And I have seen severely tarnished silver before which reacted with chemicals and soil and looked even worse. Keep in mind your coin is made of silver, but it was not pure silver.

 

I have seen these kind of coins being sold at some historical tourist areas in Hungary for cheap, can be found in numismatics shops there too. Lets say 50 euros a piece. 

 

 

If you want to check that it is silver (and destroy the value of coin) just put in some acid for awhile

 

 

 

Forgery from the era of the Hungarian denarius from 1540, Janos Szpolyai. The date is quite visible. However, the forger didn't know the letters, which is sweet, on the reverse almost well, but the obverse is an arbitrary use of the letters on the die.

N#36850

Mariusz..this is not the same. One is curved shield and letters witch indicate Ferdinand

ok, Ferdinand agrees, which doesn't change the fact that it's a period Moldovan forgery.

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