Discussion & Poll: Numista & Trivia

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During the course of a discussion elsewhere, I noted that Numista has a general lack of trivia. My assumption was Numista avoided such things as it wanted to be a direct factual reference catalogue, but a couple of other users have said that that is not the case - it's simply a case that no-one has actually added any trivia.

I wanted to open a discussion with the Numista family as a whole & get some general opinions and then, if we can come to a positive consensus, either roll it out or at least put it into as an official “Suggestion”. I think that we should strive to avoid copy/paste jobs and try to keep each point fairly short & snappy - ideally no more than two sentences. Given the lack of a trivia subsection, I propose that any trivia is simply added as a comment. As always, relevant sources must be cited to make a change to the catalogue.

 

I'm sure most of us have come across random little oddments of trivia as we've browsed through the catalogue, and I think that most pieces could be broken down into one of three overarching categories: Technical, Elemental, and Representative. I'd like to see whether people are interested in all of them, or only some of them. I know the representative trivia has a significant risk of going off on a tangent which some people may find interesting and others too distracting.

 

Technical

This is trivia which directly related to the production, distribution & similar such technical attributes of the coins.

 

N#10574

“This was the first bimetallic coin ever issued in the UK”

“Although dated 1997, they were not released into general circulation until 1998. This was because of concerns raised by businesses, especially within the vending community, who asked for more time for testing & to adjust their machinery”

N#330411

“The last circulating coin to be issued during the reign of Elizabeth II”

 

N#341998

“The only Charles III circulating coin to be issued before his coronation”

 

 

Elemental

This is trivia which has relates to an element lifted directly from the coin, such as part of the design or an edge inscription.

 

N#6849

“The bridge featured in the background is the Royal Albert Bridge. This was the final bridge designed by Brunel built in his lifetime; he died only a few months after the bridge was completed”

 

N#41258

Edge inscription is “Mind the Gap”

“Although the phrase ”Mind the Gap" is iconically tied to the London Underground, the phrase wasn't used in a public service announcement until 1968/9; over a hundred years after the Underground opened"

 

N#79007
Edge inscription is “The Hollow Crown”

“The hollow crown is a passage from “Richard II” believed to have been written around 1595”

 

 

Representative

This is trivia which discusses what is represented on the coin in a broader scope.

 

N#135500

“The UK's first Fish & Chip shops are believed to have been opened around 1860”

“The dish became a popular staple of British culture during the two world wars. This is because they were one of the very few foodstuffs not to be subject to rationing”

 

N#135576

“Some estimates are that the largest UK government purchases in 1942 were, in order of weight: bullets, tea, artillery shells, bombs, other general explosives.”

“Tea was, and still is, considered essential to UK morale within the military. During the World Wars, most ration & Red Cross packs included tea."

"UK made tanks have frequently included an internal tea kettle. The popular belief is that this was done to prevent tank crews leaving their tanks to make tea, as they may then be shot by the enemy”

 

N#135551

“The oak tree is an ancient symbol of strength and was known to be used by Roman Emperors & later kings”
“According to popular legend, after defeat in the Battle of Worcester (1651) during the English Civil War, the future king Charles II avoided capture by hiding in an oak tree. After the restoration of the Monarchy (1660), the oak tree became a popular symbol of English royalty & by extension, England itself”

 

 

POLL

All questions are a simple yes/no.

 

  1. Should Numista allow users to add trivia, provided appropriate sources can be cited?
  2. Would you like to see technical trivia?
  3. Would you like to see elemental trivia?
  4. Would you like to see representative trivia?

 

Also, please do feel free to discuss your suggestions on how any trivia should be added (Comments? New trivia section?), and what you feel is a reasonably appropriate amount of content (couple of sentences, a short paragraph, etc?) as well as anything else which feels related.

Hello,

 

My vote is 1. YES, 2. YES, 3. YES, and 4. YES 😀

 

Any background information about the coin and its design are highly welcome! The level of details you provided in th examples above is the good length in my opinion. It should go to the “Comments” section.

Agreed. Yes across the board. 

 

If the information is available (with reliable sources) I don't think it's a bad idea to aggregate it into one listing. Certainly would make researching pieces easier, with a jumping-off point at least.

 

- SDM

"I am the first in the East, the first in the West, and the greatest philosopher in the Western World" - T. Dexter

Thank you both for such swift replies, and delighted to hear there's been a positive response so far.

If this level of positivity keeps up, I pity poor RadRick moderating over in the UK catalogue…
The above examples were just things I could remember off the top of my head, and I have created my own personal paper catalogue for the UK coins which has a lot of other random pieces of useless (but interesting) trivia. I really could go on and on, then probably on some more! 😛

But please proof read before you add them, unless this will be the there ever was. 😂

 

This was the bimetallic coin ever issued in the UK

Excellent suggestion A Collector

@Idolenz

D'oh! You know I went through that message three times before I hit post. Starting to wonder whether I'm blind or stupid. 😅

 

Guess that's why we have moderators to idiotproof the catalogue.

 

But thank you & BluHawk for your thoughts too. Appreciate it!

My overall vote is yes. 

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yes yes yes yes

but you should put for all coins, not just uk

I heartily endorse this idea! I try to add bits of trivia to my own records. Sometimes the coin itself is rather mundane but the story behind the coin is fascinating. This would be a great help for me and others, I'm sure.

Theodoor

I agree wholeheartedly for more triva

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
But I suggest we should be very carefull with adding political/religious trivia.
This things can easily lead to endless and even angry discussions.

...you can run,  but you can't hide...

😄

 

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic131431.html

Gosh, a few to catch up on.

@Offa & PeterJHalford - Thank you both for your support

 

@ForeignFares - Oh, I agree that it should be an across-the-board sort of policy on whether trivia is added or not. I, personally, can only really add trivia for the UK and possibly a little bit for the Crown Dependencies & British Overseas Territories. That's what I choose to collect, so my research is more strongly focused there. Any foreign coins I own are generally more just curios than anything of considerable interest to me and I may not appreciate the national cultural significance. But of course, other collectors will collect other things and should, if we all agree to it, be able to add trivia to their respective area of expertise.

 

 

@Coin_Goblin - That's how I feel about many coins. It's not necessarily the coin itself which can, as you say, be rather bland, but the story of what it represents can be exciting. Hopefully, being able to add little short nuggets of trivia might give people a diving board into exploring what is represented in greater detail.

 

A coin I often overlooked was the 2007 abolition of slavery £2 (N#10600). Artistically, I thought it was a bit bland as really, only the broken chain representing the zero was of any significance. Whilst I obviously appreciated that abolishing slavery was a good thing, I'd never even heard of the West Africa squadron (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Africa_Squadron) which was - in short - a Royal Navy “blockade” of slave ships which “saved” around 150,000 potential slaves being shipped to the Americas at the cost of around 1,600 RN lives.

 

 

@Yvon - Thank you for your support. I understand where you're coming from about political/religious trivia. 

 

A potentially controversial example for the Winston Churchill's death crown “Churchill is a controversial figure in history, whilst he is popular in the UK for his role as PM during WWII, his later political career included his public support for ”Keep England White" in 1955". Whilst the statement is true, I can see how it could easily evolve into a whole debate about whether Churchill was “good” or “bad” overall.
Perhaps we should adopt a rule that if a piece of trivia could ignite a whole discussion of opinions, we just shouldn't allow the trivia to be used at all in order to preserve the peace.

 

Instead we could add trivia “As of 2023, Churchill was the last non-royal person to receive a UK state funeral”. Simple, true, and undebatable.

 

 

@TheGamesBond

Ha, I never even saw that thread. Shows all the difference that picking the “right” area of the forums can make though!

I have to say, whilst I think it would be fun to have quizzes based on coins directly on site, I don't think it'll have the reach, and possibly even the technical capabilities, to run such things. Beyond an “Answer a question, leave a question” type approach.

 

If you do want to play some coin quizzes, may I recommend Sporcle:

sporcle.com/games/tags/coin

There's a lovely array of quizzes on there, from a mix of “where is this coin from?” to more focused areas “What's on the UK A-Z 10p”. Plus you can easily create your own (I've added non-coin quizzes myself), and there's many different types of quiz to choose from. It's totally free to use, though you can pay for an ad-free version.

You can also create an account to log your scores and challenge other players - perhaps we could have a thread where people who wish to challenge other Numista users with Sporcle accounts could do so.

 

Plus they have quizzes on a huge array of other categories in case you ever get bored of money! 🤑

 

 

As always, thank you everyone for your comments. I'm delighted to see a fairly universal approval so far.

Just nudging this back up to see if anyone else wishes to include their opinion. I'd love to hear from as many different users as possible.

yes, yes, yes, yes

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

the comments box is there for anyone to wax historic, or anecdotal on any subject.

I always look for those.

Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac

Most definitely - but we need to be careful, as historians often put their own spin on historical related subjects.

 

Aidan.

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