New script: Demotic [gelöst]

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Hello

 

Please add a new script: Demotic.

 

This appears on the coins of Alexandria. For example this one:

N#376329

The “L” on the reverse is not a Greek letter, but Demotic, as discussed here and in Otto Mørkholm, “Early Hellenistic Coinage from the Accession of Alexander to the Peace of Apamaea (336–188 BC)”, page 111:

It is also used on some earlier Achaemenid coins, such as this one:

https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=208337

I added Demotic to the list of scripts.

 

I tried to know more about it, since the letter really looks like a capital Latin letter L, and doesn't look like Demotic to me. I could not find a definitive answer, but I found a useful resource at https://isac.uchicago.edu/research/publications/chicago-demotic-dictionary

This dictionary lists the word “rnp.t” with the definition “year” (https://isac.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/uploads/shared/docs/CDD_R.pdf) and “hsb.t” with the definition of “(regnal) year” (https://isac.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/uploads/shared/docs/CDD_H2.pdf). Some of the illustrations for the “abbreviated form” actually do look like a L.

I'm not sure why it was abbreviated this way, especially as there are other abbreviations with completely different shapes. I guess that the letter L we see on the coins is actually the Demotic letter transcribed as “t”, which looks like a slanted L in some references. I'd be interested if anyone has the full explanation.

Thank you!

 

What I found is that Demotic, like hieratic and hieroglyphic, consisted of both phonetic and ideographic signs. “L” doesn't seem to be an abbreviation, but rather an ideogram:

 

 

 

https://books.google.ch/books?id=Zn5SAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=Ideographic+symbol+year+demotic+date+coin&source=bl&ots=RmI0IhEXvh&sig=ACfU3U0tZ5mcT_3E7qwDg9Es2v7O9v3RsQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi4iZOJvLeBAxVfg_0HHaV_BtsQ6AF6BAgHEAM#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

https://books.google.ch/books?id=bFdRAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA171&lpg=PA171&dq=Ideographic+symbol+year+demotic+date+coin&source=bl&ots=cJT3_dHq3V&sig=ACfU3U1purKA_4fWhOYfq8b8XOEnuq8xgg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi4iZOJvLeBAxVfg_0HHaV_BtsQ6AF6BAgIEAM#v=onepage&q&f=false 

Thanks :)

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