Perfect fake silver coins?

Hello Numista-Forum :)

I started to collect silver coins from the 1970 - 1990 and was wondering if there is something like a perfect fake possible?

I like the “Decade for women”-series - lets take this coin out of it for example:

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The coin is worth a lot more than the silver value - is it possible to fake it (making it out of silver and not out of a cheap material of course) without experts identifying it as fake?

Maybe its obvious for you guys that it isnt but recently I started to worry about this?

Thanks for your replies! :)

PS: Why is this coin so much more worth than the rest of the series?

To clarify:

I don't want to leave the impression that I'm interested in faking something.

But my concern is if I collect the coins of a series that are easier to get and later I want to complete the series with the more expensive coins. Is there a chance that somebody sell me a “well made” fake coin? Or are my worries unfounded?

There can be perfect "fakes", but they are often official. They are called restrikes with original dies. If they used remaining original planchets there would be no way to differentiate them from an original batch in other words perfect.

That's interesting - thank you for your reply. :)

But I guess it's unusual this could happen? Bulgaria won't restrike a coin from 1984 I guess (wouldn't it have the current date then)?

I am thinking more of someone scanning the coin and creating a new planchet?

If this was possible would it be noticable that the coin was created in 2024 instead of 1984?

Does the surface or material “change” over time?

I unfortunately have the feeling that these type of coins are not very forgery-proof.
I guess the "classic" old circulated coins are a lot better regarding this.

Interesting read regarding this:

https://www.geekslop.com/life/strange/bizarre-crimes/2012/omega-man-counterfeiter

Seems the fake can be identified even if it's very well made (even if he had not put his “name” on it) - at least with circulated coins.

Trevor Ashmore a former dealer and tooling expert, made some extremely realistic fake hammered coins. Apparently they were so good that they were often sold as genuine by other dealers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Ashmore

I will answer the question with another question:  has anyone ever seen a convincing counterfeit of a proof?

There are some very good Chinese panda rounds and countless nearly perfect gold bars that are proof (but the profit margin for these items is quite a lot higher for fakers then some random silver coin).

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I had guessed the additional expertise required to produce a good quality proof would be a barrier, but I guess in places where the counterfeiting industry is so advanced, this is not the case.

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I will answer the question with another question:  has anyone ever seen a convincing counterfeit of a proof?

Maybe a lot of proofs are perfect counterfeits; that is why nobody notices them….The same applies for the perfect crime, immediately somebody see the criminal act it is not perfect anymore….😜

For me that's a very unsatisfying part of numismatics - coins were never designed with “high-tech counterfeiting” tools in mind so they have no securtiy features at all but it is how it is I guess … 

I will answer the question with another question:  has anyone ever seen a convincing counterfeit of a proof?

Thats a good question and one of these “one sentence horror stories” at the same time … ;)

but the profit margin for these items is quite a lot higher for fakers then some random silver coin

Yeah my example was not the best - I should haven taken a more expensive coin but my point still stands. :)