What is the grade of this coin?

Hello, 

I have this 1648 Leeuwendaalder, West Friesland (Dutch Republic).
The seller sold it as a VF+.
In my opinion, the seller undergraded the coin, but I'm not sure…
 

He also could have said VF, but not XF at all!

Sjoelund

He also could have said VF, but not XF at all!

👍

I wasn't sure because a weak strike is usually quite hard to grade, the lion is very well struck for the type (which made my think it was a higher grade) and there's also what seems to be a little bit of original lustre/shine left.

But yes, I agree that it's more likely a VF-ish coin instead of VF+.

I think it was fairly graded by European standards.

At NGC it is easily XF45:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=10001802

Or even AU:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9195133

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9195132

tdziemia

I think it was fairly graded by European standards.

 

At NGC it is easily XF45:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=10001802

 

Or even AU:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9195133

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9195132

Thanks for your information!

I did not expect it to have a chance to reach AU, honestly.

That's the problem with these kind of coins, they could be UNC and still look ugly/extensively circulated, you probably have to look at the surface with at least a loop for fringe cases.

Idolenz

That's the problem with these kind of coins, they could be UNC and still look ugly/extensively circulated, you probably have to look at the surface with at least a loop for fringe cases.

Yup.

NumismaticaHollandia

tdziemia

I think it was fairly graded by European standards.

 

At NGC it is easily XF45:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=10001802

 

Or even AU:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9195133

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9195132

Thanks for your information!

I did not expect it to have a chance to reach AU, honestly.

It looks like there are some small marks in the fields, which normally would keep it out of MS ranges.  

There are some leeuwedaalders with far less “eye appeal” than yours that graded in high MS, presumably because they are felt to be (VERY) weak strikes.

MS64:

MS62:

Often there is a disconnect between grade and eye appeal on hammered coins.

tdziemia

NumismaticaHollandia

tdziemia

I think it was fairly graded by European standards.

 

At NGC it is easily XF45:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=10001802

 

Or even AU:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9195133

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9195132

Thanks for your information!

I did not expect it to have a chance to reach AU, honestly.

It looks like there are some small marks in the fields, which normally would keep it out of MS ranges.  

 

There are some leeuwedaalders with far less “eye appeal” than yours that graded in high MS, presumably because they are felt to be (VERY) weak strikes.

MS64:

   

MS62:

 

Often there is a disconnect between grade and eye appeal on hammered coins.

Yeah there's some tiny scratches on some places.

Idolenz

That's the problem with these kind of coins, they could be UNC and still look ugly/extensively circulated, you probably have to look at the surface with at least a loop for fringe cases.

I looked at it with my lil trusty x60 loupe, I can spot some really straight, thin and fine lines that are in relief.

They are definitely NOT hairlines, bagmarks or damage (hairline, bagmarks or damage aren't in relief in the first place).

Idolenz

That's the problem with these kind of coins, they could be UNC and still look ugly/extensively circulated, you probably have to look at the surface with at least a loop for fringe cases.

(REV: Near the lion's tail)

(REV: at the O and V of MOVETVR, near the lion's claw (left paw))

(OBV: near the tip of the ribbon that the knight is holding)

These are the straight, very small lines in relief that I've mentioned before.

I can't enlarge your images, which format did you use?

Sjoelund

I can't enlarge your images, which format did you use?

Whoops, I used WEBP… 🤦

Here's some JPEG versions:
 

I am seeing very little wear and a decent strike for this type. I would say it's about as good as type as it gets.

VF if modern, but this old EF, or even AU

Moneytane

I am seeing very little wear and a decent strike for this type. I would say it's about as good as type as it gets.

 

VF if modern, but this old EF, or even AU

When I saw the lines I also began to suspect it'd be going into the EF-AU direction.

Thank you for your help and opinion!