Never understood why these were always called Tokens as a token has a sort of function, they should always have been called mint medals but that is not for me to decide 😃
Ils very true!
I seen it is customary (at least in Czech Republic) to call small Copper pieces coming from mint as Tokens/Jetons.
Token has many meanings. That's why I requested a separate category for Bank Tokens, since these are coins in all but name. A quick look at the Canadian bank tokens shows that they have been wrongly categorized as “Emergency coinage › Merchant tokens”. I've no idea whose idea that was but given they were neither issued in an emergency nor by merchants, it does indicate how little thought has been given to this reorganization.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
I noticed exactly the same thing as ceh2019 about Canadian bank tokens.
I guess they could be considered an “emergency” issue so far as the motivation to issue them was the severe shortage of small change. In the Canadian catalogues they are generally considered “semi-regal” because they were issued by private (but chartered) banking institutions under the seal of approval of the colonial government (and, ultimately, the Crown/Victoria). These categories (emergency and semi-regal) are of course not mutually exclusive.
Many of the earlier (1820s–1830s) trash circulating as halfpennies were not emergency issues but a quick profit-making scheme since they were struck at a very light weight. The issuers knew they would get into the economy because there was almost nothing else. In the catalogue, the imitations of Tiffin tokens are said to be “merchant tokens”, which I think is somewhat inaccurate. Merchants probably accepted these flat disks only reluctantly. I am, however, aware that we can't multiply the categories indifinetely for the catalogue to be efficient as a tool to classify and search through.
I generally agree with the new approach. I personally organize my collection in periods. It's more important to me to regroup everything Victorian together —coins, currency tokens, banknotes, chartered and other banks' notes, stamps, etc.— because it tells you what people were using in the Victorian era (and likewise for any other period: Edwardian, etc.).
The main problem I see with the new categories is that it's difficult to separate monetary objects from non-monetary objects.
So, on one side, in my way of looking at things, circulation coins, currency tokens (private and semi-regal), circulating paper money, stamps, etc. are monetary objects; I also include transportation tokens and tikets as well as bread and dairy tokens and tickets since they are exchanged for a good or a service, though usually only at the local/regional level. In the Canadian case, the category “monetary object” also goes for the Canadian Tire coupons which are still exchangeable for goods. I have used them myself quite a few times. Not only that, there were also some other stores that accepted CT coupons at par. (There was a story on the news about 8 or 9 years ago of a man who bought himself a mowing tractor with all the CT money he had accumulated over the decades.)
On the other side, everything else: NCLTs à la Niue (😁), business cards in the form of tokens, “0 Euro” souvenir notes, medals, etc. etc.
There's a similar problem with the notes of the chartered banks such as this one of the Bank of Montreal. Like bank tokens, these were issued by chartered banks. They were national issues (not local as stated on the page) because the government for a long time left the issue of higher value notes (from $5 to $100 and perhaps more?) to the chartered banks. The government kept the issue of 25-cent and 1- and 2-dollar notes for itself to protect the lower classes against the loss of their money in case of a bankruptcy. (The government of the Dominion also produced a few $5 of their own, but they're rare or scarce because this was mostly the business of the chartered banks.)
All what I'm saying here was sanctioned by the currency laws of the Dominion, with a list of chartered banks that were authorized to issue money. The same situation existed in other countries.
Also, I seem to have gained two ‘coins’. I've no idea where from, but I suspect that they were classed as Exonumia prior to the the changes being made.
I now have 4 new coins in my collection, dispite not having added a coin since the 14/10/24.
I take this opportunity to put my first doubt/suggestion, since I don't think it depends on correct operation but rather on its categorization.
The two pieces in the picture below are exactly the same (emergency or necessity coin or note issued by the same official entity during the Spanish Civil War). The only difference is that one piece was made circular and the other rectangular. It makes no sense, in my opinion, that both are categorized so differently (see black box in the photo).
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@LDC , @Rajbarage , the difference in the count of coins in your collection may be due to the change of definition of the categories. Some items, such as fantasy coins and some local coins, were previously categorized as Exonumia and they are now part of the Coins category.
@oynbcn , can you please open a separate forum thread for your concern about Spanish civil war coins and notes? Here are some points for the discussion:
So far we don't have full symmetry between the sub-categories of Coins and Banknotes, especially for notgeld. We can discuss whether this should be changed.
Probably Spanish civil war banknotes should be moved from "Banknotes > Local banknotes" to “Banknotes > Emergency banknotes”.
Could you please clarify whether the second item on your screenshot is made of paper or cardboard? The question of cardboard items has been discussed in the past here and here.
Should British condor and currency tokens issued by businesses from the late 18th and early 19th century be listed as emergency coins, or as business tokens? Legally they were meant to be used at the business of issue but could be circulated alongside coinage. Also they currently are listed under their own currencies
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Should British condor and currency tokens issued by businesses from the late 18th and early 19th century be listed as emergency coins, or as business tokens? Legally they were meant to be used at the business of issue but could be circulated alongside coinage
Definitely should be under ‘Coins’, as they circulated during coin shortages.
Were there any changes done recently? Like in the past few hours? I just noticed my collection go from 1540 - something to 1430 or so. My Exonumia and Banknotes are gone from my collection, and I can not find them anywhere on my pages. Their categories are also missing from the types list.
Edit: I can see them when I specify them in the catalogue using filters, otherwise I cannot on my own collection page.
Since the update I can't see the countries I don't have items from according to my selection. e.g. I collect 1 coin from every country/issuer, however when i select coins as the filter and then select countries i don't have items from, it brings back countries that don't have coins such as Oceania…. which has paper exonumia.
How do I find the countries (and issuers) for coins only?
Thanks
Stewart
I agree with this comment.
For example, if in My Collection I filter by Coins, and click on “Show countries: from which I don't have any items”, then I see “Oceania, Japanese Occupation of” , “Leeward Islands”, “Italian East Africa”, “Gilbert and Ellice Islands”, which only have banknotes. This is probably an error that could be fixed.
I also see “Benelux” and “Eurozone”, which only have fantasy coins or banknotes. I guess to avoid these ones, we would need a subfilter within coins (right now the filter at the top of the page to see our collection and the Map does not allow this). This could also be solved with a second filter in addition to coins. Right now there is a second filter for “Swap only” vs. “non Swap only”. Having another filter for the different categories now grouped within coins would be more useful. Moreover, this could address complains from people who do not like to see “fantasy coins” within their collection or their missing countries!
Thanks a lot to the administrators for all their work! You are providing a huge public good!!!
Mixing coins with banknotes, medals and Niuean Chicken wings is not good.
Would have appreciated it, if it was announced before you guys just did it.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
I do like the merge, which gives many more searching options we did not have before. Many of the issues that are now arrising are just caused by items that were wrongly catalogued before. With the new search options they now become more visible and can immediately be solved for single items (or further discusses is the issue is bigger).
Just call me Bram
No new swaps for the moment, still too many half-ongoing swaps to clean up!
The change was announced at the start of the year in the objectives for 2024, and has been discussed on this forum since April. A mock-up has also been available since August to try out the new features.
@oynbcn , can you please open a separate forum thread for your concern about Spanish civil war coins and notes? Here are some points for the discussion:
So far we don't have full symmetry between the sub-categories of Coins and Banknotes, especially for notgeld. We can discuss whether this should be changed.
Probably Spanish civil war banknotes should be moved from "Banknotes > Local banknotes" to “Banknotes > Emergency banknotes”.
Could you please clarify whether the second item on your screenshot is made of paper or cardboard? The question of cardboard items has been discussed in the past here and here.
Hello @Xavier , thank you for addressing this question. The note you mention in my picture is made of paper. I have already carefully followed the Topics that you mention on the cardboard topic, and the changes that were required according to the Numista Guide have already been made. I am going to open a new Topic, of which I put the link here, to solve the issue of equivalent categories between coins and banknotes.
Also, I have a replica William the Conquerer coin in my Exonumia collection. Instead of my collection ranging from 1566 to the present year, it now goes back to 1066. Not sure if this is a good or bad thing, but it is clearly inacurate. The replica was produced only a couple of years ago at most.
Can we please find a way of correcting this anomily, maybe by having a separate section somewhere on Exonumia pages for the ‘Probable year of production’, as opposed to the actual date on the item, which (self evidently) can be meaningless.
This replica is still causing my collection to show a date range that starts at the Norman conquest, even though my oldest coin is from 1566.
Maybe we can try my suggestion now, as the current solution doesn't seem to work.
Not much to do with the new catalogue categories but rather with wrong display of the date.
Date should show the date of the mintage of the replica not the one of the original coin here.
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I am strongly against the recent changes made to Numista’s catalogue. As a former referee for the site and someone who has used it for years, I believe that this change is one of the worst the site has ever seen. It makes searching for things much more difficult for very little gain. The number of pages one has to go through now is obscene and don’t even get me started with the clutter. Furthermore, the icons just arent appealing.
I have used the site less over the last year for several reasons, however this very well may be it for me. This alteration makes what was once a convenient catalogue for both coins and notes incredibly hassle-some to use. I would personally like to see a reversion made and a new solution to the issues that led to this change’s introduction devised. Problems shouldn’t be solved by creating new problems.
At first, I am happy to see the new update with better categorization for the tokens - it was time to do it :) (but the fantasy ‘coins’ in the coin section is strange for me).
It is very good to assigne token now to each group (ex Trade T. / Business T. / Beer T.) I start to change the beer T. from Business T. to Beer T. but it's not possible to filter only the Business. I get zero result with this search :
It is helpfull to see which items are in the higher level to work on the classification.
A minor bug is the list cut buy the “Date Mintage ….” line :
I've been using the platform for a few years and enjoyed it, but this new layout is a nightmare. Given the number of posts about incorrect font, dates, categories etc, it sounds and looks like someone without knowledge of the database has tried to tweak it, but in turn has made it quite non-user friendly, whilst creating more issues than solving.
My biggest issue is that there now no “list by country” on the screen, so I have to scroll through a large list in a very small window. I know I could scroll or search, but the page list was perfect and you could find the sub-category within very easily…. not a any more. Having the ability to look through a whole country, including sub-divisions of years/empires etc, makes this hobby a pleasure, but now I'll spend a lot more time being very precise with the scroll option, especially when I don't know what sub-category the coin may be part of.
If there is an option to have that full page listing, then I'd be happy to be told how/where, and you can ignore my soapbox rant above, but if no option exists, maybe consider adding it back in?
Given the number of posts about incorrect font, dates, categories etc,
My biggest issue is that there now no “list by country” on the screen,
Incorrect fonts? Nothing changed there …
Dates, categories, …? Yes, but not due to the new layout, only because thinks were wrongly put in the database and only now become apparent. All are welcome to report issues or correct them themselves.
with many more subdivisions to search according to your own need.
To everyone : most options are still available … sometimes with a different link. Anything missing, just ask and maybe something broke, but these last few days most issues have been resolved in hours … so thanks to Xavier and the rest of the team that is making things work as it used to (for those who liked it as it was) and make things better (for those who enjoy being bale to look through everything at once).
And let us all work together to improve the database and put the items where they belong. 🙏
Just call me Bram
No new swaps for the moment, still too many half-ongoing swaps to clean up!
To everyone : most options are still available … sometimes with a different link. Anything missing, just ask and maybe something broke, but these last few days most issues have been resolved in hours … so thanks to Xavier and the rest of the team that is making things work as it used to (for those who liked it as it was) and make things better (for those who enjoy being bale to look through everything at once).
And let us all work together to improve the database and put the items where they belong. 🙏
Bram… Thank you very much - it really is appreciated. It was a simple URL change from /index to /pays. Pays wasn't even on my radar, but I guess it helps to think in a foreign language to get countries from pays 🤣 Cheers!
Actually it looks like all Fantasy places are no longer attached to their coins.
Sorry for this temporary glitch. The change related to fantasy coins I mentioned above is ongoing, and we went a bit too quick in the migration. The “pretended issuer” will be shown soon.
Since the update I can't see the countries I don't have items from according to my selection. e.g. I collect 1 coin from every country/issuer, however when i select coins as the filter and then select countries i don't have items from, it brings back countries that don't have coins such as Oceania…. which has paper exonumia.
How do I find the countries (and issuers) for coins only?
Thanks
Stewart
I agree with this comment.
For example, if in My Collection I filter by Coins, and click on “Show countries: from which I don't have any items”, then I see “Oceania, Japanese Occupation of” , “Leeward Islands”, “Italian East Africa”, “Gilbert and Ellice Islands”, which only have banknotes. This is probably an error that could be fixed.
I also see “Benelux” and “Eurozone”, which only have fantasy coins or banknotes. I guess to avoid these ones, we would need a subfilter within coins (right now the filter at the top of the page to see our collection and the Map does not allow this). This could also be solved with a second filter in addition to coins. Right now there is a second filter for “Swap only” vs. “non Swap only”. Having another filter for the different categories now grouped within coins would be more useful. Moreover, this could address complains from people who do not like to see “fantasy coins” within their collection or their missing countries!
Thanks a lot to the administrators for all their work! You are providing a huge public good!!!
With the changes introduced today it got worse…Now Micronesia, for example, only has coins listed as “Pretended Country”, so it will not appear in the list of countries for which you have coins. But because it has one paper exonumia piece it still appears in the list of countries for which you do NOT have coins…This should be due to a glitch in the filtering for the list.
Ok I think I found them … they are in Fantasy Coins, but showing as “Unspecified Issuer”. However there are multiple “Unspecified Issuers”. So it is difficult to find the one you actually want. Still needs some work I think.
Mike
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Ok I think I found them … they are in Fantasy Coins, but showing as “Unspecified Issuer”. However there are multiple “Unspecified Issuers”. So it is difficult to find the one you actually want. Still needs some work I think.
Mike
Bonjour,
Exact cette nouveauté « d’émetteur prétendu »
refait au final la scission entre les pieces et exonumia, le problème sera donc toujours présent. Certains membres commencent deja a faire des demandes de modifications pour leurs exonumia passés sous « emetteur pretendu ».
The development for the fantasy coins is still ongoing. Sorry the migration was done too quickly. Please bear with us while we complete the development.
I confirm that searching for issuer=Andorra will not return this coin for example: N#68475
That's done on purpose. The coin was not issued by Andorra, it's just a medallion with “ANDORRA” written on it.
Indeed searching for fantasy coins in the catalogue will become more difficult unfortunately.
- What is paper version of merchant token? Banknotes that issued by bank or private company. Example (1)(2)
- Are all military banknotes emergency banknotes? For example Banknotes Japan issued in captured territories; Malaya, Phillipines, NL East Indies, etc.
- Is N#230503 considered emergency? (see comment field)
- During and shortly after WWII, Thailand have severe shortage of banknotes, and the government tried various method to provide banknotes. Do you have advice to decide what is standard banknote and what is emergency?
Thanks
Catalog editor for Thailand and Japan.
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- What is paper version of merchant token? Banknotes that issued by bank or private company. Example (1)(2)
- Are all military banknotes emergency banknotes? For example Banknotes Japan issued in captured territories; Malaya, Phillipines, NL East Indies, etc.
- Is N#230503 considered emergency? (see comment field)
- During and shortly after WWII, Thailand have severe shortage of banknotes, and the government tried various method to provide banknotes. Do you have advice to decide what is standard banknote and what is emergency?
Thanks
I believe that more than half of the banknotes in the Numista Catalog are banknotes issued in specific “emergency periods” and, in many cases, by local entities.
That is why it is very important to clearly establish the difference between local banknotes, emergency banknotes and "merchant banknotes" (if they should exist). I think that now that new categories have been created, it is the ideal time to be able to establish the difference between them and, if necessary, modify or expand what is being implemented.
I invite you to follow the discussion in this topic.
That is why it is very important to clearly establish the difference between local banknotes, emergency banknotes and "merchant banknotes" (if they should exist). I think that now that new categories have been created, it is the ideal time to be able to establish the difference between them and, if necessary, modify or expand what is being implemented.
I think it is worth it's own topic, so different discussions don't mix …
Indeed very important to correctly define our paper currency!
Just call me Bram
No new swaps for the moment, still too many half-ongoing swaps to clean up!
That is why it is very important to clearly establish the difference between local banknotes, emergency banknotes and "merchant banknotes" (if they should exist). I think that now that new categories have been created, it is the ideal time to be able to establish the difference between them and, if necessary, modify or expand what is being implemented.
I think it is worth it's own topic, so different discussions don't mix …
Indeed very important to correctly define our paper currency!
Hi oynbcn — I think your link is wrong. I get the general Forum Index page, as I did when you first posted it.
I have one suggestion to make, though I have no idea how hard it would be to implement it. Would it be possible for each member who wishes so to create his/her own Catalogue settings? What I mean is that these would be one's settings whenever he/she logs in. If this is possible, we would need a box
[] Save as my settings.
So, you collect only coins? Well, click on all the boxes of the items you want to see on the map when you log in and for whatever search or browsing you want to do. Let's say this:
Once you're happy with your selection, you check the “Save my settings” box.
Maybe once in a while you look at banknotes, then of course you'd need to check the Banknotes box(es), but when you log in the next time, you automatically have your saved settings back. Unhappy with your settings? Just change them and “Save settings” again.
Again, I dont know how easy or hard this would be to implement. Just a suggestion…
@Camerinvsfor the mean time do a search with all the filters and settings you like for either your coins and/or banknote searches then save the page as a bookmark on your browser bar. I have one for my most common searches, coins and notes of Japan.
@Camerinvsfor the mean time do a search with all the filters and settings you like for either your coins and/or banknote searches then save the page as a bookmark on your browser bar. I have one for my most common searches, coins and notes of Japan.
Good idea! I made my suggestion in light of all the comments (including complaints criticisms) that everything is now merged on one page. I personally find it's an improvement, but I will indeed create a bookmark with circulating items only (coins and banknotes).
Thanks and I hope others will see this repy of yours. Still, it would be great if we had a settings option, especially for those (unlike me) who use Numista mostly on their phone or tablet.
oynbcn
Sorry @Camerinvs the link is right, but the Topic is on Referee Forum. 🙁 I tell some moderator to move it to Numista Website Forum.
Ah — I didn't think about the possibility that it was a referee-only post. But I could see the link wasn't broken since I did get to a page, though the wrong page. Please do let us know if/when it's moved for all of us to access it.
It seems like we're resorting to roundabouts to solve a problem that didn’t even exist in the first place.
Can you please explain why you want tokens/medals/paper exonumia back merged into one header? The site is now nicely moving into a differentiation of official issues (coins and banknotes), tokens (with monetary values), medals (just nice to look at) and non-banknote paper (maybe still to be split up later?).
Yes of course there are items logged in wrong places, I also still have a bunch of questions … but once everything is where it belong, it's much more logical than having all non-coins and non-banknotes just pushed into the big garbage heap that exonumia used to be.
Just call me Bram
No new swaps for the moment, still too many half-ongoing swaps to clean up!
There have been a few suggestions along these lines, so forgive me if I'm repeating some of what's already been put forward. If we are to restore the previous functionality whilst retaining a single, combined catalogue, we need the ability to store settings for each of the main groupings. I collect both coins and notes but I have no interest in fantasy, unissued or non-circulating types of either. However, I have to deselect all of these every time I switch between coins and notes. If the site can be programmed to remember these settings, so that when I select coins I only see the sub-categories I selected before, then there will be hardly any change from what we had in the past.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
Sorry if looks like I am the complaining queen, but someone have to say what seems wrong.
Oh sorry — I was not meaning “complaints” in a pejorative way. I welcome the kind of criticism that has been expressed in this thread and “criticism” would have been a better choice of word than “complaints”. I'm fixing my post in a second…
Probably wise not to unveil changes, when work is still going on.
It also shows the extreme arrogance and disregard the high ups at Numista have for us “free members”.
Its obvious we were not good enough to be warned.
Its harder to search for a type of coin now, as you have to go through what type of item it is as well as country, date etc and then eliminate tokens and patterns.
99% only care about circulating notes and coins, not patterns, fanstasy coins or money from Madeupastan.
How long until you start charging for access and filling the site up with “Sexy girls want you” and “12 tips that keep Jennifa Lawrence skinny” along with “Play candycrush saget today” etc, along with American memes and Tiktok ripoffs showing doge frowning at Donald Trump and clickbait lines like “Kylies lips are bigger than ever now” and “New evidence shows Michael Jackson was guilty”.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society
“Probably wise not to unveil changes, when work is still going on.” The website and the catalogue are continuously evolving. We try our best to make it more and more useful over the years.
“It also shows the extreme arrogance and disregard the high ups at Numista have for us “free members”.”
The catalogue is completely free to use. Premium users are only a minority, and they enjoy exactly the same catalogue as free members and non-members, except they don't see ads.
“Its obvious we were not good enough to be warned.”
“Its harder to search for a type of coin now, as you have to go through what type of item it is as well as country, date etc and then eliminate tokens and patterns.”
Can you please clarify? The search from will remember your selection of type. So you can exclude tokens patterns from your selection, and it will be kept for your next search. This feature didn't change with the re-organization of categories.
“How long until you start charging for access and filling the site up with “Sexy girls want you” and “12 tips that keep Jennifa Lawrence skinny” along with “Play candycrush saget today” etc, along with American memes and Tiktok ripoffs showing doge frowning at Donald Trump and clickbait lines like “Kylies lips are bigger than ever now” and “New evidence shows Michael Jackson was guilty”.”
The catalogue will always remain free to use. Since April 2022, all the ads on Numista are related to numismatics.
We do our best to preserve a comfortable experience on the website while covering the operation costs.
@xavier et plus : merci encore de nous permettre de vivre cette expérience Numista.
Le message auquel tu réponds est injuste voir plus. Cela fait 12 ans pour moi et je ne peux que féliciter le concepteur et ceux qui font vivre et améliorent ce site.
Un petit compliment vu le message d'avant ne peut pas faire de mal. 😉
@xavier et plus : merci encore de nous permettre de vivre cette expérience Numista.
Le message auquel tu réponds est injuste voir plus. Cela fait 12 ans pour moi et je ne peux que féliciter le concepteur et ceux qui font vivre et améliorent ce site.
Un petit compliment vu le message d'avant ne peut pas faire de mal. 😉
One of the points of frustration reported above is that an occasional search for one type will impact your futur searches.
So we just introduced a change of how the default selection is defined. You can now define what should be your default selection of types. This way, your preferred selection will be automatically set every time you open the catalogue search form, even if you searched for some other types in the meantime.
To define your default selection, select and unselect the types and subtypes as you wish, then click “Set as default selection”.
Search form with the link to set the default selection of types
One of the points of frustration reported above is that an occasional search for one type will impact your futur searches.
So we just introduced a change of how the default selection is defined. You can now define what should be your default selection of types. This way, your preferred selection will be automatically set every time you open the catalogue search form, even if you searched for some other types in the meantime.
To define your default selection, select and unselect the types and subtypes as you wish, then click “Set as default selection”.
Search form with the link to set the default selection of types
That helps some, but I have many different desires at different times. Please allow several to be saved, and add buttons to Set All and Clear All to make it easier to work with different subsets,
One of the points of frustration reported above is that an occasional search for one type will impact your futur searches.
So we just introduced a change of how the default selection is defined. You can now define what should be your default selection of types. This way, your preferred selection will be automatically set every time you open the catalogue search form, even if you searched for some other types in the meantime.
To define your default selection, select and unselect the types and subtypes as you wish, then click “Set as default selection”.
Search form with the link to set the default selection of types
The “Set as default selection” option doesn't appear for me. Do I just need to wait for the site to update? I'll test it once it appears but, if I'm reading this correctly, there will only be one default setting, not one for each group. That doesn't restore the old functionality but is hopefully a step towards that.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
The “Set as default selection” option doesn't appear for me. Do I just need to wait for the site to update? I'll test it once it appears but, if I'm reading this correctly, there will only be one default setting, not one for each group. That doesn't restore the old functionality but is hopefully a step towards that.
Yes — Once you start deselecting some boxes, the “set default" option appears.
Quite happy with this new functionality. It's exactly what I was looking for.
Yes — Once you start deselecting some boxes, the “set default" option appears.
Quite happy with this new functionality. It's exactly what I was looking for.
Got it, thanks Camerinvs. However, as feared, this doesn't store settings for each group. That means that I still have to change all the settings when I want to look at banknotes, even though I can then jump straight to the settings for coins. I'm with bjherbison on this, multiple settings are needed. Hopefully that isn't too much of a tweak now one lot of settings can be saved.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
So, I have my default view set as coins which circulated. I then select notes which circulated for the issuer I'm viewing (10 clicks). I go to a different issuer and I see their coins. Another 10 clicks to see their notes. If the number of clicks to switch between coins, notes, etc. can be drastically reduced, I suspect a lot of the criticism of the recent changes will disappear.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
So, I have my default view set as coins which circulated. I then select notes which circulated for the issuer I'm viewing (10 clicks). I go to a different issuer and I see their coins. Another 10 clicks to see their notes. If the number of clicks to switch between coins, notes, etc. can be drastically reduced, I suspect a lot of the criticism of the recent changes will disappear.
If you don't want to see notes and coins mixed, you may open 2 tabs, one for coins, and another for banknotes; then when browsing you just select the tab and edit filters… easy way. You even may open tabs for different purposes, like countries, date ranges, anything you may repeat on your search.
Just 10 options: you understand binary, or you don't.
Catalog Referee Coins, Banknotes & Exonumia: Uruguay, Cuba, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Mexico, Peru, Paraguay, Costa Rica, Venezuela, Panama, Ecuador, Zamunda, Parva Domus and more.
If you don't want to see notes and coins mixed, you may open 2 tabs, one for coins, and another for banknotes; then when browsing you just select the tab and edit filters… easy way. You even may open tabs for different purposes, like countries, date ranges, anything you may repeat on your search.
That would be a possible work around for the time being but, sadly, it doesn't work. As soon as I go to a different country in the banknotes tab, the site reverts to my default, i.e., coins.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
If you don't want to see notes and coins mixed, you may open 2 tabs, one for coins, and another for banknotes; then when browsing you just select the tab and edit filters… easy way. You even may open tabs for different purposes, like countries, date ranges, anything you may repeat on your search.
That would be a possible work around for the time being but, sadly, it doesn't work. As soon as I go to a different country in the banknotes tab, the site reverts to my default, i.e., coins.
Strange… it works for me… maybe cause I have coins & banknotes as default. Hope with patience you will figure out how to find the good side of this.
Just 10 options: you understand binary, or you don't.
Catalog Referee Coins, Banknotes & Exonumia: Uruguay, Cuba, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Mexico, Peru, Paraguay, Costa Rica, Venezuela, Panama, Ecuador, Zamunda, Parva Domus and more.
Strange… it works for me… maybe cause I have coins & banknotes as default. Hope with patience you will figure out how to find the good side of this.
I think we're looking for something slightly different. I would like an option to switch back and forth between circulating coins and circulating notes. It existed before the changes and I'm hopeful that can be restored. Overall, the concept of applying the same fundamental priciples to coins and banknotes should work, we just have to get the mechanics of site right.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
Strange… it works for me… maybe cause I have coins & banknotes as default. Hope with patience you will figure out how to find the good side of this.
I think we're looking for something slightly different. I would like an option to switch back and forth between circulating coins and circulating notes. It existed before the changes and I'm hopeful that can be restored. Overall, the concept of applying the same fundamental priciples to coins and banknotes should work, we just have to get the mechanics of site right.
I still think this is the way to go.
which for you would look like this (only 2 of the 3 allowed are defined):
Advertising is also a way of goods or services that make these items tokens in my regards. I did not look into the items listed in the medals section now but we definitly need Advertising tokens in tokens section.
Thank you,
Paul
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Im happy to see that changes are made but i feel like theres too many categories and sub-categories. I also think that the site is more complicated like this and i consider that its more logical to have the coins/notes/exonumia separated.
I liked more how it was before the changes.
They're still separated since you can filter your search, but yes, there are many subcategories if you want to do a specific search. For my use it works fine by just choosing “coins” or “banknotes”.
Since the update I can't see the countries I don't have items from according to my selection. e.g. I collect 1 coin from every country/issuer, however when i select coins as the filter and then select countries i don't have items from, it brings back countries that don't have coins such as Oceania…. which has paper exonumia.
How do I find the countries (and issuers) for coins only?
Thanks
Stewart
Hi, am I best opening a separate query on this one, as it might get lost
Bosen (Mother coins for casting cash coins) are still pattern and not getting new type?
Japan will have a lot of problem for determining types, as many private made pieces. For example, Ezeni; they can be medals, play moneys, merchant tokens, charms, and maybe other.
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For the moment the scope of referees is unchanged and still relies on the old 3 categories. Japanese local coins are still managed by exonumia master referees as there is no referee for Japanese exonumia.
In case of doubt, I can help if you tell me who issued the coin and for which purpose.
It would be nice to have a specific category for mother coins. There were several suggestions about patterns above. It would be nice to discuss the sub-categories of patterns in a separate topic.
If the specific type of a token can't be determined, you can classify it in the top category “Tokens”.
For the moment the scope of referees is unchanged and still relies on the old 3 categories. Japanese local coins are still managed by exonumia master referees as there is no referee for Japanese exonumia.
In case of doubt, I can help if you tell me who issued the coin and for which purpose.
It would be nice to have a specific category for mother coins. There were several suggestions about patterns above. It would be nice to discuss the sub-categories of patterns in a separate topic.
If the specific type of a token can't be determined, you can classify it in the top category “Tokens”.
Thanks, Xavier.
Maybe I can take temporary title as exonumia referee to do the job. I have several pending requests and still have several souvenirs medals in queue to be added.
From 1192 to 1868, Japan was in Feudal system with Shōgun as head of the government.
At the end of second shogunate, the government was weak so the local warlords Daimyō had power to self governate their lands.
At the time, Japan was using cash coins imported from China as the main currency, but some Daimyō started to make imitations:
In my opinion, these examples are not considered standard circulating coin; they were mostly made by private or warlords, have bad quality compared to China cashes. At the time Japan was divided and warlords doing wars with each others. There was no authority nor officail to cast any coins. What do you think about the type of there wartime cashes?
These coins were rewards for his military persons. In my opinion, they did circulated in limited area in a very limited time for being precious metals.
What type should be suited for these gold and silver cashes?
After Toyotomi died, Tokugawa Ieyasu, Daimyō who controlled east Japan defeated successors and retainers of Toyotomi, and established the new shogunate. He focused on standardizing Gold and silver currencies. The main cash coins were still Chinese cashes, but the shogunate made two cashes: N#175772N#176484
I think that these two coins can be considered standard circulating coins, even the quantity are not enough to drive out Chinese cashes.
I think the government had intention to abolish Chinese cashes, but they cannot do so until around 1636. Chinese cash coins and other imitations were abolished in 1670.
Local warlords also made gold and silver pieces: N#291962N#288001
Almost no info for these pieces. They may get circulated for their metal content.
N#288000 probably was presentation to the emperor, so not a circulating coin.
Daimyō of Kai Province, made gold coins that would be the gold currency system of the Tokugawa Shogunate. These gold coins are standard coins within the province along with Shogunate made gold coins. Are we going to use standard circulating type or local coin type?
End of part 1, will continue questions part 2…
Thanks again.
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I would support Sakrificed to take over the Japan Exonumia Referee role. He obviously knows a lot about Japan based on his post above. Especially as we don't have an Exonumia Referee for Japan at the moment.
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I am very happy with the separation between tokens and medals because my binder which grouped them together was really becoming too heavy! I now have two binders that are still much more comfortable to move :) Even though there are still some small gray areas between some close categories as “Business advertising tokens” Trade tokens › Business tokens
Also, could coin referees be allowed jurisdiction over collector coins, fantasy coins, local coins, contemporary counterfeits, and proto-coins?
The scope of referees has not changed for the moment. It still relies on the old categories Coins / Banknotes / Exonumia, even if they are not visible anymore. We'll modify that in a later step.
I feel the current changes in the catalogue categories are overly ambitious without enough preparations before the update. I am not too sure if all referees are prepared enough to handle new sub-categories in their jurisdictions.
I, in particular, would like to know if there are any discussions in regards to contemporary counterfeits. I can already see many coin types under contemporary counterfeits are merely random modern coin replicas that were never used as fake coins for circulation, just some obvious cheap fakes selling on the street to tourists.
Due to the trickiness of identifying the “true fakes” out of tons of “fake fakes” in the market. I would like to suggest deleting contemporary counterfeits sub-category and move all the listings there into as coin replicas under Medals, unless we can find the referees with enough knowledge on contemporary counterfeits of all issuers.
Also, could coin referees be allowed jurisdiction over collector coins, fantasy coins, local coins, contemporary counterfeits, and proto-coins?
The scope of referees has not changed for the moment. It still relies on the old categories Coins / Banknotes / Exonumia, even if they are not visible anymore. We'll modify that in a later step.
I feel the current changes in the catalogue categories are overly ambitious without enough preparations before the update. I am not too sure if all referees are prepared enough to handle new sub-categories in their jurisdictions.
I, in particular, would like to know if there are any discussions in regards to contemporary counterfeits. I can already see many coin types under contemporary counterfeits are merely random modern coin replicas that were never used as fake coins for circulation, just some obvious cheap fakes selling on the street to tourists.
Due to the trickiness of identifying the “true fakes” out of tons of “fake fakes” in the market. I would like to suggest deleting contemporary counterfeits sub-category and move all the listings there into as coin replicas under Medals, unless we can find the referees with enough knowledge on contemporary counterfeits of all issuers.
Likewise, I would like contemporary counterfeits removed from the coins section and moved into tokens or wherever.
Also, could coin referees be allowed jurisdiction over collector coins, fantasy coins, local coins, contemporary counterfeits, and proto-coins?
The scope of referees has not changed for the moment. It still relies on the old categories Coins / Banknotes / Exonumia, even if they are not visible anymore. We'll modify that in a later step.
I feel the current changes in the catalogue categories are overly ambitious without enough preparations before the update. I am not too sure if all referees are prepared enough to handle new sub-categories in their jurisdictions.
I, in particular, would like to know if there are any discussions in regards to contemporary counterfeits. I can already see many coin types under contemporary counterfeits are merely random modern coin replicas that were never used as fake coins for circulation, just some obvious cheap fakes selling on the street to tourists.
Due to the trickiness of identifying the “true fakes” out of tons of “fake fakes” in the market. I would like to suggest deleting contemporary counterfeits sub-category and move all the listings there into as coin replicas under Medals, unless we can find the referees with enough knowledge on contemporary counterfeits of all issuers.
Likewise, I would like contemporary counterfeits removed from the coins section and moved into tokens or wherever.
I would like to second this and further ask that contemporary counterfeits be linked to the originals, as a way of easily redirecting someone who is curious to possible forgeries.
Also, could coin referees be allowed jurisdiction over collector coins, fantasy coins, local coins, contemporary counterfeits, and proto-coins?
The scope of referees has not changed for the moment. It still relies on the old categories Coins / Banknotes / Exonumia, even if they are not visible anymore. We'll modify that in a later step.
I, in particular, would like to know if there are any discussions in regards to contemporary counterfeits. I can already see many coin types under contemporary counterfeits are merely random modern coin replicas that were never used as fake coins for circulation, just some obvious cheap fakes selling on the street to tourists.
Due to the trickiness of identifying the “true fakes” out of tons of “fake fakes” in the market. I would like to suggest deleting contemporary counterfeits sub-category and move all the listings there into as coin replicas under Medals, unless we can find the referees with enough knowledge on contemporary counterfeits of all issuers.
Likewise, I would like contemporary counterfeits removed from the coins section and moved into tokens or wherever.
I would like to second this and further ask that contemporary counterfeits be linked to the originals, as a way of easily redirecting someone who is curious to possible forgeries.
That's an interesting problem. If the suggestion of moving “contemporary counterfeits” to tokens (not medals) were attempted, we would have to go back to the origins of coinage, through the Roman Empire ("fourrés") and its fragmentation in Late Antiquity, the Middle Age, and beyond, where contemporary counterfeits of all sorts were passed as real coins. In colonial North America spurious banks issued all sorts of spurious “banknotes", many of which circulated heavily. Sometimes we're not even sure whether an issuer is or isn't legitimate.
Perhaps the solution is to leave things as they are for most of the catalogue since, unfortunately, crooks trying to fool the system for a quick profit is a fact of History — hence counterfeiting laws have existed throughout history. Counterfeits had more impact on national currencies than any of the deluxe junk produced for the Cook Islands or Niue. In this sense counterfeits are “monetary”.
I think there is an exception, and it should be based on ethical considerations. Counterfeits of coins or notes that are currently legal tender in the issuing country should either: (1) not be listed at all, or (2) be listed without the possibility of adding such items to your collection. A complementary possibility would be (3) to warn of their existence (possibly with an external link) on the real coin or note page. Current counterfeits, therefore, should be provided only as information or warning. A link could be provided to relevant web pages (police report on counterfeits, counterfeiting laws, numismatic publications about counterfeits, etc.).
As for modern “fake fakes” of Greek, Roman or any other ancient or modern coins, Soviet or any other military medals, etc. etc., they should go to the token section somewhere.
