Modify denominations: Ducat to Pacifico (Libra, from Principality of Catalonia) [gelöst]

This request was submitted some time ago https://en.numista.com/forum/topic144577.html but the values was erroneous. This topic was discuss here https://es.numista.com/forum/topic145005.html and now we have more information.

This is part of another more general topic: https://en.numista.com/forum/topic144509.html

Currency code: 3059 • catalonia_principality

There are 2 coins that should use the denomination of ¼ Pacifico and 1 coin the denomination of ½ Pacifico:

• N#125060
  For example: https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=359&lot=864">https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=359&lot=864
• N#125058
  For example: https://www.museunacional.cat/es/colleccio/cuarto-de-pacifico/renat-i-danjou/015720-n
• N#125057

Source with the two denominations: https://www.fuenterrebollo.com/faqs-numismatica/Banco-Espana/historia2-moneda.html

Now these coins use the denominations (and only are used in these coins):

29922 • 3059 → ¼ Ducat - 1/4 (it should be ¼ Pacifico)

29921 • 3059 → ½ Ducat - 1/2 (it should be ½ Pacifico)

Now we have in subdivisions this

1 Libra = 1 Pacifico = 20 Sous

but according https://es.numista.com/forum/topic145005.html the correct is

1 Libra = 20 Sous

1 Pacifico = 18 Sous (1465-1476) = 20 Sous (from 1476)

Values:
1 Sous – 1/20

1 Pacifico (1465-1476) – 18  * 1/20 = 9/10

1 Pacifico (from 1476) – 20 * 1/20 = 1

We need these denominations:

• N#125060
  Years: 1472-1479
  Denomination used: 29922 • 3059 → ¼ Ducat - 1/4
  Denomination needed: ¼ Pacifico - 9/10 * 1/4 = 9/40
• N#125058
  Years: 1467-1472
  Denomination used: 29922 • 3059 → ¼ Ducat - 1/4
  Denomination needed: ¼ Pacifico - 9/10 * 1/4 = 9/40
• N#125057
  Years: 1467-1472
  Denomination used: 29921 • 3059 → ½ Ducat - 1/2
  Denomination needed: ½ Pacifico - 9/10 * 1/2 = 9/20

Modify denominations

• 29922 • 3059 → ¼ Ducat - 1/4
  New value: 9/40
  New name:
  • (EN) ¼ Pacifico
  • (ES) ¼ pacífico
  • (FR) ¼ pacifico
• 29921 • 3059 → ½ Ducat - 1/2
  New value: 9/20
  New name:
  • (EN) ½ Pacifico
  • (ES) ½ pacífico
  • (FR) ½ pacifico

Modify subdivisions

The new relationships are

1 Libra = 20 Sous

1 Pacifico = 18 Sous (1465-1476) = 20 Sous (from 1476)

but due to lack of space we added only

1 Libra = 20 Sous

1 Pacifico = 18 - 20 Sous • 

• (EN)
  1 Libra = 1 Pacifico = 10 Reales = 20 Sous = 40 Seisenos = 120 Doblers/Ardites = 240 Dineros = 480 Mallas/Obols/Senyals = 960 Pugesas • 1 Florin = 15 Sous (average) • 1 Groat = 12 - 36 Dineros • 1 Principado = 24 Sous • 1 Trentin = 33 Groats
  →
  1 Libra = 10 Reales = 20 Sous = 40 Seisenos = 120 Doblers/Ardites = 240 Dineros = 480 Mallas/Obols/Senyals = 960 Pugesas • 1 Pacifico = 18 - 20 Sous • 1 Florin = 15 Sous (average) • 1 Groat = 12 - 36 Dineros • 1 Principado = 24 Sous • 1 Trentin = 33 Groats
• (ES)
  1 libra = 1 pacífico = 10 reales = 20 sueldos = 40 seisenos = 120 dobleros/ardites = 240 dineros = 480 mallas/óbolos/señales = 960 pugesas • 1 florín = 15 sueldos (promedio) • 1 croat = 12 - 36 dineros • 1 principado = 24 sueldos • 1 trentín = 33 croats
  →
  1 libra = 10 reales = 20 sueldos = 40 seisenos = 120 dobleros/ardites = 240 dineros = 480 mallas/óbolos/señales = 960 pugesas • 1 pacífico = 18 - 20 sueldos • 1 florín = 15 sueldos (promedio) • 1 croat = 12 - 36 dineros • 1 principado = 24 sueldos • 1 trentín = 33 croats
• (FR)
  1 libra = 1 pacifico = 10 réaux = 20 sous = 40 sizains = 120 doblers/ardites = 240 deniers = 480 mallas/obols/senyals = 960 pugesas • 1 florin = 15 sous (moyen) • 1 gros = 12 - 36 deniers • 1 principado = 24 sous • 1 trentin = 33 gros
  →
  1 libra = 10 réaux = 20 sous = 40 sizains = 120 doblers/ardites = 240 deniers = 480 mallas/obols/senyals = 960 pugesas • 1 pacifico = 18 - 20 sous • 1 florin = 15 sous (moyen) • 1 gros = 12 - 36 dineros • 1 principado = 24 sous • 1 trentin = 33 gros

⚠️These texts are too long. I need shorten them... or more space.

Edit: Mallas is a nickname of Obols, so I could remove it in subdivisions but the problem does not go away: the text is longer than 256 characters.🙁

Done

@Compendium, this was not done: 

davidhs

• 29921 • 3059 → ½ Ducat - 1/2
  New value: 9/20
  New name:
  • (EN) ½ Pacifico
  • (ES) ½ pacífico
  • (FR) ½ pacifico

I do not know if you saw the result of add more text (necessary!) in the subdivisions: https://en.numista.com/forum/topic145726.html#p1208304

Fixed

Please reduce text if needed

Compendium

Please reduce text if needed

At this moment the problem is in English and Spanish. I can remove spaces but this is not a good solution. It looks very bad.

See next post.

(EN)
1 Libra=10 Reales=20 Sous=40 Seisenos=120 Doblers/Ardites=240 Dineros=480 Mallas/Obols/Senyals=960 Pugesas • 1 Pacifico=18-20 Sous • 1 Florin=15 Sous (average) • 1 Groat=12-36 Dineros • 1 Principado=24 Sous • 1 Trentin=33 Groats
 

(ES)
1 libra=10 reales=20 sueldos=40 seisenos=120 dobleros/ardites=240 dineros=480 mallas/óbolos/señales=960 pugesas • 1 pacífico=18-20 sueldos • 1 florín=15 sueldos (promedio) • 1 croat=12-36 dineros • 1 principado=24 sueldos • 1 trentín=33 croats

Malla is a nickname of Obol, so I remove Malla. Now the English text is ok.

In Spanish I need remove 9 spaces.

(EN)
1 Libra = 10 Reales = 20 Sous = 40 Seisenos = 120 Doblers/Ardites = 240 Dineros = 480 Obols/Senyals = 960 Pugesas • 1 Pacifico = 18 - 20 Sous • 1 Florin = 15 Sous (average) • 1 Groat = 12 - 36 Dineros • 1 Principado = 24 Sous • 1 Trentin = 33 Groats
 

(ES)
1 libra = 10 reales = 20 sueldos = 40 seisenos = 120 dobleros/ardites = 240 dineros = 480 óbolos/señales = 960 pugesas • 1 pacífico = 18-20 sueldos • 1 florín = 15 sueldos (promedio) • 1 croat=12-36 dineros • 1 principado=24 sueldos • 1 trentín=33 croats
 

(FR)
1 libra = 10 réaux = 20 sous = 40 sizains = 120 doblers/ardites = 240 deniers = 480 obols/senyals = 960 pugesas • 1 pacifico = 18 - 20 sous • 1 florin = 15 sous (moyen) • 1 gros = 12 - 36 dineros • 1 principado = 24 sous • 1 trentin = 33 gros

You can post a suggestion to improve then (it's not a bug)

You can replace “= X (promedio)” by just “≈ X”

Compendium

You can post a suggestion to improve then (it's not a bug)

Ok, I will return this as a suggestion. 🤔 This not a bug because do not affect to system, but I think it is a “minor bug” because it is unexpected behavior (I write a text and it is not saved).

Compendium

You can replace “= X (promedio)” by just “≈ X”

Right!

(EN)
1 Libra = 10 Reales = 20 Sous = 40 Seisenos = 120 Doblers/Ardites = 240 Dineros = 480 Obols/Senyals = 960 Pugesas • 1 Pacifico = 18 - 20 Sous • 1 Florin ≈ 15 Sous • 1 Groat = 12 - 36 Dineros • 1 Principado = 24 Sous • 1 Trentin = 33 Groats
 

(ES)
1 libra = 10 reales = 20 sueldos = 40 seisenos = 120 dobleros/ardites = 240 dineros = 480 óbolos/señales = 960 pugesas • 1 pacífico = 18 - 20 sueldos • 1 florín ≈ 15 sueldos • 1 croat = 12 - 36 dineros • 1 principado = 24 sueldos • 1 trentín = 33 croats
 

(FR)
1 libra = 10 réaux = 20 sous = 40 sizains = 120 doblers/ardites = 240 deniers = 480 obols/senyals = 960 pugesas • 1 pacifico = 18 - 20 sous • 1 florin ≈ 15 sous • 1 gros = 12 - 36 dineros • 1 principado = 24 sous • 1 trentin = 33 gros

davidhs

Compendium

You can post a suggestion to improve then (it's not a bug)

Ok, I will return this as a suggestion. 🤔 This not a bug because do not affect to system, but I think it is a “minor bug” because it is unexpected behavior (I write a text and it is not saved).

 

Compendium

You can replace “= X (promedio)” by just “≈ X”

Right!

 

(EN)
1 Libra = 10 Reales = 20 Sous = 40 Seisenos = 120 Doblers/Ardites = 240 Dineros = 480 Obols/Senyals = 960 Pugesas • 1 Pacifico = 18 - 20 Sous • 1 Florin ≈ 15 Sous • 1 Groat = 12 - 36 Dineros • 1 Principado = 24 Sous • 1 Trentin = 33 Groats
 

(ES)
1 libra = 10 reales = 20 sueldos = 40 seisenos = 120 dobleros/ardites = 240 dineros = 480 óbolos/señales = 960 pugesas • 1 pacífico = 18 - 20 sueldos • 1 florín ≈ 15 sueldos • 1 croat = 12 - 36 dineros • 1 principado = 24 sueldos • 1 trentín = 33 croats
 

(FR)
1 libra = 10 réaux = 20 sous = 40 sizains = 120 doblers/ardites = 240 deniers = 480 obols/senyals = 960 pugesas • 1 pacifico = 18 - 20 sous • 1 florin ≈ 15 sous • 1 gros = 12 - 36 dineros • 1 principado = 24 sous • 1 trentin = 33 gros

Done