3 kopek 1950 - is it a error or variation? [gelöst]

Hello, 

one of the digits of the year ,has a different shape . It is curves a little bit at top,the same part of the 5 on other examples seems to be straight not curved. Can this be considered for a minting error or a variation in the die?

The first image is for comparison. 

According to “Classic” catalogue of Fedorin there are 2 types of reverse for these coins. 

The difference you show is too small to be considered as a variation.

Thank you very much for the information and for helping me with this coin, Grinya! 

A macro of the “same” coin and same year

Use for your comparisons

There are three different varieties for the 3 Kopecks 1950:

1. Obverse: low P. Reverse: crosshairs near rim. Most difficult, average value 2.000 euro.

2. Obverse: low P. Reverse: crosshairs far from rim. Most common, average value 0.5 euro.

3. Obverse: high P. Reverse: crosshairs far from rim. Average value 8 euro.

Don't take the value too literally (because of course it also depends on the condition and such), it is mainly to indicate the price ratio between the varieties.

Main differences between the two reverses:

- Distance of the crosshairs from the rim (green line).

- Distance between the tip of the 3 and the top of the wheat sprig (blue line).

- Distance between the top of the lowest grain of wheat and the stalk (red line).

- Distance between the lettering and the stalk (black line).

I strongly suggest to add two extra yearlines for those varieties, especially since they are so easy to see with the naked eye. We already have extra yearlines for exactly the same coins but in an other package in our catalog, then different coins certainly deserve an extra yearline.

Essor Prof ,thank you for your extensive post. In essence as you have pointed out, they are three different dies ,from which coins ,from this issue were made. I agrre that if not mentioned in the Numista catalog, the two other coins deserve to be part of it records. 

As far I can see my coins is ,from the common second type with smaller distance between the lettering and the stalk. I was just curious to learn more for the difference in the 5 of the yeare, but as Grinya guide me it is too small even to be mentioned at all.

Essor Prof

There are three different varieties for the 3 Kopecks 1950:

 

1. Obverse: low P. Reverse: crosshairs near rim. Most difficult, average value 2.000 euro.

2. Obverse: low P. Reverse: crosshairs far from rim. Most common, average value 0.5 euro.

3. Obverse: high P. Reverse: crosshairs far from rim. Average value 8 euro.

Don't take the value too literally (because of course it also depends on the condition and such), it is mainly to indicate the price ratio between the varieties.

 

   

 

 

Main differences between the two reverses:

- Distance of the crosshairs from the rim (green line).

- Distance between the tip of the 3 and the top of the wheat sprig (blue line).

- Distance between the top of the lowest grain of wheat and the stalk (red line).

- Distance between the lettering and the stalk (black line).

 

I strongly suggest to add two extra yearlines for those varieties, especially since they are so easy to see with the naked eye. We already have extra yearlines for exactly the same coins but in an other package in our catalog, then different coins certainly deserve an extra yearline.

Essor Prof,

I've used your findings for this documentation, are you OK with that. If yes, you can use the graphic in a CR.

Hey Ole, of course you may use my findings. The problem is, these are not my pictures. You certainly can't use them as head pictures on a coin page (except for the middle one, this is from © Katz Coins Notes & Supplies Corp.). I don't know to what extent you can use the other pictures for educational purposes although it is important as proof of the existence of the varieties.

We're back to the discussion, if a simple image can be copy righted, the only intellectual activity having been involved is to take the photos. Since coins are not humans, the coin itself cannot be against it. You did the intellectual work by showing the differences. I have no problem using the graphic as it is, since I don't get paid by anybody producing those graphics, I'll just make the CR.

Sjoelund

I'll just make the CR.

I share the same opinion. By the way, when making your CR, do you also ask for the extra year lines for the varieties (at least if the year lines aren't locked)?

The CR has been issued, and as source I used this thread https://en.numista.com/forum/topic149269.html#p1179028, now if the referee can read, he should be able to see, we would need two extra year lines. Honestly, I don't know where to ask for extra year lines?

Sjoelund

Honestly, I don't know where to ask for extra year lines?

In this case you can't because the year lines are locked:

So it has to be asked on the forum, but in general that doesn't work as fast as a normal CR because it's more complicated.

I did ask on the forum, but we're not in a hurry for a 74-year-old coin🙂

Sjoelund

I did ask on the forum, but we're not in a hurry for a 74-year-old coin🙂

It may take another 74 years to get those year lines added since it won't get much attention here. There is not a referee for the USSR. If you want them added, follow the instructions:

If you are sure you own this coin with a date that is not listed here, you can ask to have it added through the forum and include a picture of your coin in your message.

That way it will be logged and open until resolved.

Never mind you already did.  😁

There are also some different varieties at other years. I don't think it is reasonable to add year lines only for 1950

Grinya

There are also some different varieties at other years. I don't think it is reasonable to add year lines only for 1950

Yes, I know. In my search for the 1950 coins I saw there are at least 3 varieties for the 1949 coin as well. I'm working on the pictures right now. Maybe some other dates have varieties too but I didn't check them yet.

There are 7 varieties for 1949….

8 for 1948 and 1951

10 for 1952

2-3 for the other years of this type

Too much to put them as separate year lines

Please show them anyway, I for one would be interested. Learning, you know?

I've started a new topic for that.

Thanks

Essor Prof

 

Varieties 3 Kopecks 1950:

 

1. Obverse: low P. Reverse: crosshairs near rim. Most difficult, average value 2.000 euro.

 

   

  

By the way, that most difficult variety is a 1950 with the reverse of the 1949.

Sjoelund

Please show them anyway, I for one would be interested. Learning, you know?

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/catalogue.php?id=404

They are in Fedorin's book. 380+ pages

tokul

 

They are in Fedorin's book. 380+ pages

This one looks very nice too:

But I don't know if it's worthwhile to buy a catalog in a script I can't read at all. Do you know if there exists a version in English (this one or Fedorin's one)?

Essor Prof

tokul

 

They are in Fedorin's book. 380+ pages

This one looks very nice too:

 

 

But I don't know if it's worthwhile to buy a catalog in a script I can't read at all. Do you know if there exists a version in English (this one or Fedorin's one)?

15 kopeck from 1943 have 10 variants with 2 pages of text in small print. That catalogue shows it as a single table row.

I doubt that you can find Fedorin's book in English. 

tokul

 

I doubt that you can find Fedorin's book in English. 

Classification by Fedorin may be found e.g. here:

https://numar.ru/ussr/3-kopeiki/1950

You can use automatic translation by Google Chrome to understand the difference.