Swedish Livonia - 1 Solidus - Carl X Gustav - missing years [gelöst]

N#78795

Tells that list of years is verified.

Krauze lists 1658 and 1659

https://numismaster.com/MC_112139

Hello!

Krause has a lot of errors in their Livonian section. In fact, the pictures they're using in that link aren't even for that type (the pictures are for KM#50). When I was the referee of Livonia, I did verify everything via pictures, although it has been so long that I don't remember my process for these solidus pieces specifically. With that being said, I do think actual pictures of these dates would be needed before adding anything because, not only could they belong to either KM#4 or KM#50, but they could also be Suceava counterfeits.

Any of these pages are possible without pictures:

N#78795

N#31705

N#185962

N#185965

N#185970

Talking about this page only:

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Unfortunately, I do not have a Haljak catalogue, which would make this muchhhhhh simpler (as they have the most accurate information on Livonian coins); however, they run their own auctions for Livonian coins, which also include references to their catalogue. From what I have found, here are the most relevant references:

Haljak#1438 - Carl X Gustav, Solidus, 1654

Haljak#1439 - Carl X Gustav, Solidus, 1655

Haljak#1440 - Carl X Gustav, Solidus, 1656 (picture and reference verified through Kunker)

Haljak#1441 - Carl X Gustav, Solidus, 1657

Haljak#1442 - ????

Haljak#1443 - Carl XI, 3 Polker, 1669

Haljak#1444 - ????

Haljak#1445 - Carl XI, Solidus, 1660

Haljak#1446 - Carl XI, Solidus, 1661 (and so on; the numbers and years are both sequencial from here)

With these catalogue numbers, I would highly doubt the existance of a Carl X Gustav Solidus from 1659, as there is only only room one additional Carl X Gustav piece (#1443 starts on the next ruler). I think it is very likely that #1442 could be for a 1658 piece, although it could also be for a variety of #1443 as Haljak does give different numbers for some different varieties (which is likely what #1444 is, for example).

So… 1658 is possible. I'm still looking for pictures though:)

In Krauze Livonian (not Riga) solidus was released from 1644 to 1665. Only 1646 year is missing. 2014 catalog does not have picture for KM4.

Haljak#1442 - Karl X  Solidus 1658

Haljak#1444 - Karl XI 3 Polker 1669

Kristina does have solidus 1646, Haljak# 1530

thank you all for the inputs.  

Working on it.

Ollisaarinen

Haljak#1442 - Karl X  Solidus 1658

Haljak#1444 - Karl XI 3 Polker 1669

 

Kristina does have solidus 1646, Haljak# 1530

 

 

Thank you! If Hartill says a 1658 exists, I'd be more inclined to trust them (probably just a rarer date). I would also say not to add 1659, as they do not report that date.

Haljak#1530 sounds like it corresponds to this page (the Riga version, meaning this date already exists):

N#41643

Reported bug to numismaster.

When I said that 1646 is missing, I did tell Livonia (not Riga) in previous sentence. Riga's mint years are different.

The 1658 Livonia solidus has been added.

It indeed seems rare, as no sales in OneBid or the WCN archive.

Haljak numbers have been added on the adte lines.

Ill double check my delzanno to see what the swedish sources says about some of the dates above mentioned

Christina has solidus's

Elbing solidus

1633

1634

1635

3 Polker

1632

1634

1635

1635 (gold)

Riga solidus

1635

1636

1637

1638

1639

1640

1640 (very rare variant date written as XL)

1641

1642

1643

1644

1645

1646

1647

1648

1649

1650

1651 (variant 1651)

1651 (variant 51)

1651 (variant 1652

1652 (variant 52)

1653

1654

3 Polker

1644 (Variant SMB347)

1644 (Variant SMB348)

1647

1648

1649

Livonia Solidus

1644 (Ultra rare) 

1645 (Variant SMB379 very rare)

1645 (Variant SMB380 very rare)

1645 (Variant SMB381 Rare)

1645 (Variant SMB382)

1645 (Variant SMB383)

1647

1648

1649

1650

1651

1652

1653

1654

Karl X 

Elbing Solidus 

1657 (Variant SMB98)

1657 (Variant SMB99)

1656 (Variant SMB106)

1657 (Variant SMB107)

3 Polker

1657

1658

Riga Solidus

1654

1655

1656

1657

1658

1659

1660

Livonia solidus

1654 

1655 

1656

1657