ID please Octavian and Julius Caesar

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Hi, is this the coin.???? minted very quickly in Gaul???

 

535/1 Dupondius CAESAR DIVI.F


IVLIVS Octavian Julius Caesar semiofficial local issue from Gaul, 27,8mm,
7,7g 


hese Octavian and Julius Caesar dupondius types come at two weight standards, about 18 grams (two-thirds ounce) with perfectly round and level flans and classicly lifelike portraits, and at about 10-14 grams with uneven flans and less refined portraits.
Certainly of different mintage, the lighter coins such as this are generally presumed imitative. I am not so sure, however, because the weights, sizes, and fabrics are reasonably consistent within this group.
More likely these were semi-official local issues from southern Gaul, perhaps a civic response to the need for large bronze coinage in one or other city in Provence.
During the 30s BC, all the major cities in Further Gaul issued bronzes of about the same size as these, presumably dupondii, many bearing portraits of both Caesar and Octavian, and a substantial local issue reproducing this new Rome mint type would have fit neatly into this narrative. Well preserved for the type.

Well, the Numista page for this coin is N#66647 .

 

I got one of these around six months ago, and mine is lighter than average.

While researching at that time I noticed that there is a relatively big range of size and weight for known specimens, but didn't looked more into the matter (it was only to eliminate doubts about being fake).

 

So, I am interested in your question and what answer you'll get.

 

 

PS.: My specimen, for comparison:

   

Reviving the thread to add an info that I've found while searching on another matter:

 

The regular Octavian/Julius Caesar is listed as RPC 620, and the imitations seems so numerous that they got an RPC number of their own, RPC 620A.

And it's already listed here on exonumia N#434117 .

 

If my coin is the genuine or an imitation, I'll leave the question open since the coin is so worn that is hard to know.

The way below average weight could point to being an imitation.

But it isn't any barbarian imitation, it's a barbarian imiation with Julius Caesar's face on it.

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