1972 D Lincoln cent doubled die

Hi everyone, thanks lot for help. I have this 1972 D Lincoln memorial cent. I need your help doubled die coin and. when I send it to grad, don't show is doubled die just they say mintmark.is that true mint mark or doubled die. Please I needs help. Thanks again.

Hi, can I offer you some advice, please write your questions in your mother (original) language - the translation button will do a good job of posing your question in English or another language to anyone who wishes to help. Most of your questions don’t make much sense other than they are all about American Cent errors which as far as i can see don’t exist on any of your coins so far.

With this question, and I don’t know much about U.S Cents and I’m not sure if I understand the question correctly, I believe you are asking about a Double D Cent, yet all your close up photos are of the Text „in god we trust“, the double D refers to the D mintmark below the date not the d in god.

Your coin is not a Double D Cent.

Hi Aden2.  There are no Double-Die varieties for the 1972-D Lincoln cent.  PCGS was trying to tell you that you have the wrong mint mark for a 1972 Double Die variety -- only the 1972 (Philadelphia Mint) and 1972-S (Proof) have known examples of double die varieties.  That was a costly (and avoidable) mistake.

It looks like you may have slight MD (Machine Doubling) on some of the letters.  That's not the same as a double die.  Machine doubling doesn't add any premium to the value of the coin.  See the following reference from NGC:

"Doubled Dies vs. Machine Doubling"
https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/5688/Double-Dies-vs-Machine-Doubling

Here is an example of the 1971S Proof DDO mostly in IN GOD WE TRUST and LIBERTY:

Here is an example of the 1972(P) DDO mostly in IN GOD WE TRUST, LIBERTY and 1972:

The mint mark, if present, in that time frame can never be part of a doubled die so if you see doubling of the mint mark it's a sure sign of machine doubling or a repunched mint mark.

TonyCoins

Hi Aden2.  There are no Double-Die varieties for the 1972-D Lincoln cent.  PCGS was trying to tell you that you have the wrong mint mark for a 1972 Double Die variety -- only the 1972 (Philadelphia Mint) and 1972-S (Proof) have known examples of double die varieties.  That was a costly (and avoidable) mistake.

 

It looks like you may have slight MD (Machine Doubling) on some of the letters.  That's not the same as a double die.  Machine doubling doesn't add any premium to the value of the coin.  See the following reference from NGC:

 

"Doubled Dies vs. Machine Doubling"
https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/5688/Double-Dies-vs-Machine-Doubling

 

This is actually DDO-001. It's a true doubled die - not machine doubling. Nice find OP!

https://doubleddie.com/671734.html

King

Hi, can I offer you some advice, please write your questions in your mother (original) language - the translation button will do a good job of posing your question in English or another language to anyone who wishes to help. Most of your questions don’t make much sense other than they are all about American Cent errors which as far as i can see don’t exist on any of your coins so far.

 

With this question, and I don’t know much about U.S Cents and I’m not sure if I understand the question correctly, I believe you are asking about a Double D Cent, yet all your close up photos are of the Text „in god we trust“, the double D refers to the D mintmark below the date not the d in god.

 

Your coin is not a Double D Cent.

It's a true doubled die, listed in wexler and DDO-001. https://doubleddie.com/671734.html

nobody

It's a true doubled die, listed in wexler and DDO-001. https://doubleddie.com/671734.html

It's not recognized by the CPG (Cherrypickers' Guide), PCGS, NGC, or CACG.

TonyCoins

nobody

It's a true doubled die, listed in wexler and DDO-001. https://doubleddie.com/671734.html

It's not recognized by the CPG (Cherrypickers' Guide), PCGS, NGC, or CACG.

It's recognized by NGC and I believe it's in the back of the Cherrypickers guide.

nobody

 

It's recognized by NGC and I believe it's in the back of the Cherrypickers guide.

Can you provide a direct link to the NGC page?  I don't see any existing listing for that.

Regarding the CPG, I own a copy of the latest versions.  CONECA DDO-001 refers to 1972 (Philadelphia Mint) Lincoln Cent in the CPG, page 160.  I don't see anything referring to 1972-D.

For CONECA, DDO-001 also refers to the 1972 (Philadelphia Mint): 

https://www.conecaonline.info/memorial-cent/lincoln-memorial-cent-1972-ddo-001-philadelphia

nobody

King

Hi, can I offer you some advice, please write your questions in your mother (original) language - the translation button will do a good job of posing your question in English or another language to anyone who wishes to help. Most of your questions don’t make much sense other than they are all about American Cent errors which as far as i can see don’t exist on any of your coins so far.

 

With this question, and I don’t know much about U.S Cents and I’m not sure if I understand the question correctly, I believe you are asking about a Double D Cent, yet all your close up photos are of the Text „in god we trust“, the double D refers to the D mintmark below the date not the d in god.

 

Your coin is not a Double D Cent.

It's a true doubled die, listed in wexler and DDO-001. https://doubleddie.com/671734.html

Said I knew nothing about US Cents, I was correct - I know nothing about US Cents 🫣

But also I wanted to answer something, as every post I read from this member is always confusing ….

TonyCoins

nobody

 

It's recognized by NGC and I believe it's in the back of the Cherrypickers guide.

Can you provide a direct link to the NGC page?  I don't see any existing listing for that.

 

Regarding the CPG, I own a copy of the latest versions.  CONECA DDO-001 refers to 1972 (Philadelphia Mint) Lincoln Cent in the CPG, page 160.  I don't see anything referring to 1972-D.

 

For CONECA, DDO-001 also refers to the 1972 (Philadelphia Mint): 

https://www.conecaonline.info/memorial-cent/lincoln-memorial-cent-1972-ddo-001-philadelphia

 

Hi, please refer to their variety plus page for lincoln memorial cents and scroll to 1972. For VP-001, around 15 have been graded across all grades and color designations. 

https://www.ngccoin.in/variety-plus/united-states/cents/lincoln-cents-memorial-reverse-1959-2008/815011/

Also, John Wexler's site is more expansive than the Cherrypicker's guide, so I'm not that surprised it's not in there. 

nobody

Hi, please refer to their variety plus page for lincoln memorial cents and scroll to 1972. For VP-001, around 15 have been graded across all grades and color designations. 

https://www.ngccoin.in/variety-plus/united-states/cents/lincoln-cents-memorial-reverse-1959-2008/815011/

Also, John Wexler's site is more expansive than the Cherrypicker's guide, so I'm not that surprised it's not in there. 

It looks like machine doubling to me.  I suppose that's why neither the CPG, PCGS, or CACG recognize it.

TonyCoins

nobody

Hi, please refer to their variety plus page for lincoln memorial cents and scroll to 1972. For VP-001, around 15 have been graded across all grades and color designations. 

https://www.ngccoin.in/variety-plus/united-states/cents/lincoln-cents-memorial-reverse-1959-2008/815011/

Also, John Wexler's site is more expansive than the Cherrypicker's guide, so I'm not that surprised it's not in there. 

It looks like machine doubling to me.  I suppose that's why neither the CPG, PCGS, or CACG recognize it.

It's a true doubled die, not machine and NGC and John Wexler both recognize it. I have shown this, but if you believe it's machine doubling despite this, all power to you. 🤷

nobody

It's a true doubled die, not machine and NGC and John Wexler both recognize it. I have shown this, but if you believe it's machine doubling despite this, all power to you. 🤷

For what it's worth, I always appreciate hearing multiple viewpoints.  I'm simply pointing out that 2 of the 3 major TPG's do not recognize it.  In addition, it's not in the CPG or even in the latest version of the Red  Book for that matter.

I personally tend to put more weight on something that's accepted across multiple TPG's and supported by a majority of accepted published literature in Numismatics.  But at the end of the day, it would be the OP's decision as to whether he wants to spend even more money to submit it to NGC in the hopes of getting it slabbed.

TonyCoins

nobody

It's a true doubled die, not machine and NGC and John Wexler both recognize it. I have shown this, but if you believe it's machine doubling despite this, all power to you. 🤷

For what it's worth, I always appreciate hearing multiple viewpoints.  I'm simply pointing out that 2 of the 3 major TPG's do not recognize it.  In addition, it's not in the CPG or even in the latest version of the Red  Book for that matter.

 

I personally tend to put more weight on something that's accepted across multiple TPG's and supported by a majority of accepted published literature in Numismatics.  But at the end of the day, it would be the OP's decision as to whether he wants to spend even more money to submit it to NGC in the hopes of getting it slabbed.

Oh, I wasn't arguing that it is worthwhile to get slabbed, if it was mine, I'd sell it raw. But minor varieties like this are so specialized that they are unlikely to show up in major publications, but it doesn't mean they are not DDOs.