Some questions about two 6 pence

Hi, I recently got these 6 pence, have they been cleaned? And if I send them to ngc or pcgs, will they get au or ms?

Hard to tell from just one image of each side with such high grades. How much of a cartwheel is visible when tilting them in the light? Is it more visible on one side? Is it uniform across all areas of obverse or reverse? Etc etc. This will also help with identifying if there was any cleaning. But I don’t think there is improper or harsh cleaning.

I think you are in the correct ball park, Uncirculated ms60-63 is certainly possible for the 1816, but at such high grades in the hand examination under a loop at the correct magnification needs to take place, this could drop it to AU58. For the 1887 there seems to be colour in Victoria‘s face, this could indicate wear, and there are plenty of marks in the fields. This may constitute au54-58, but again could achieve MS60-61.

Remember if one side is AU56 and the other MS63 the coin is AU56.

Lovely coins by the way, and grading/slabbing is also there to preserve the coins, irrelevant of the grade it achieves.

King

Hard to tell from just one image of each side with such high grades. How much of a cartwheel is visible when tilting them in the light? Is it more visible on one side? Is it uniform across all areas of obverse or reverse? Etc etc. This will also help with identifying if there was any cleaning. But I don’t think there is improper or harsh cleaning.

 

I think you are in the correct ball park, Uncirculated ms60-63 is certainly possible for the 1816, but at such high grades in the hand examination under a loop at the correct magnification needs to take place, this could drop it to AU58. For the 1887 there seems to be colour in Victoria‘s face, this could indicate wear, and there are plenty of marks in the fields. This may constitute au54-58, but again could achieve MS60-61.

 

Remember if one side is AU56 and the other MS63 the coin is AU56.

 

Lovely coins by the way, and grading/slabbing is also there to preserve the coins, irrelevant of the grade it achieves.

 

 

Thanks for your reply!

I got these coins from a auction, they still on delivery.  When they arrived,  I will protect them well before send them to ngc or pcgs.

I would grade the bullhead sixpence at AU and because of the marked obverse the jubilee head is XF 

Offa

I would grade the bullhead sixpence at AU and because of the marked obverse the jubilee head is XF 

Oh,  jubilee is little lower than I expected…

But I got these coins only for £46, so au and xf is still acceptable .

If when you do get them graded, let us know what they came back as.

King

If when you do get them graded, let us know what they came back as.

Ok, I will 😁.

Unexpected thing: This “1816 6 pence” actually  a 1816 shilling 😂,  seems that seller don't have enough knowledge of English coin.

For the cost of grading it would not be worth the outlay both coins are easy to find in MS63 have a look at the pop report on NGC. The shilling if it was MS63 wouldn't put you out of pocket but combining the fact that neither coin (from just the picture) would grade MS you would really just increasing the purchase price with no net gain 1887 sixpence or even the shilling of 1887 are plentiful as it was jubilee year so everyone stored them away and is why there are so many still in Bunc condition. Grading has become so expensive. I just sent 5 coins from UK for grading standard tier total cost including the rip off shipping charges £308 about 340 dollars. If the value of the coin or potential value when selling it on is less than 150 dollars it's not worth the outlay 

zookeeperz

For the cost of grading it would not be worth the outlay both coins are easy to find in MS63 have a look at the pop report on NGC. The shilling if it was MS63 wouldn't put you out of pocket but combining the fact that neither coin (from just the picture) would grade MS you would really just increasing the purchase price with no net gain 1887 sixpence or even the shilling of 1887 are plentiful as it was jubilee year so everyone stored them away and is why there are so many still in Bunc condition. Grading has become so expensive. I just sent 5 coins from UK for grading standard tier total cost including the rip off shipping charges £308 about 340 dollars. If the value of the coin or potential value when selling it on is less than 150 dollars it's not worth the outlay 

 

You have a point there, but ngc's price of grading in China is just for 20 to 30 dollar for this level of coin and the cost of delivery may be less than 2 dollar. If George iii shilling can get au58 or higher, I think it's still worth for grading.

Shilling yes 1887 sixpence definitely not they typically sell £30-£40 only MS66 coins raise an eyebrow probably for registry points