I'm confused with this coin as it has the designer listed but doesn't appear to be over a reverse 3 - which isn't an option to select. Is this a new variety or am I not seeing this correctly? As you can see it has serious die cracks on the obverse.
I've now spent around two hours trying to find a 20 centavos coin with inverted “3” on internet, but without finding any. In my catalog it's mentioned, but not documented. A “3 invertido” should look more or less like this Ɛ!
I've now spent around two hours trying to find a 20 centavos coin with inverted “3” on internet, but without finding any. In my catalog it's mentioned, but not documented. A “3 invertido” should look more or less like this Ɛ!
I've spent 5 minutes to find one. Ole, don't forget, it's a “sobre 3 invertido” which means it's a normal 3 struck over a reversed 3. That means for starters it's difficult to see and you have to find really sharp pictures.
This one is for sure a 3 struck over an reversed 3 (the first 3):
And I'm pretty sure this is another one (again struck over the first 3):
Inverted means (mostly) up side down. It can mean mirror image left/right but typically (English) upside down. Merriam-Webster says,
When you invert something, you turn it upside down, whether it's an idea or a test you place face-down on your desk when you are finished. Invert comes from the Latin word invertere, which means "to turn." For example, you might invert a cake pan, turning it upside down on a plate in order to remove the cake.
Not really a big deal, turn can mean rotate 180° too, but reversed or backwards sounds better to my (English) ears.
Okay, thank you for the explanation. English is not my native tongue, I thought inverted and reversed was the same thing. Now I understand why you said an inverted 3 is still a 3 (unless it's a 3 with a bigger lower part or a 3 with a flat top, then an inverted 3 would be a very strange 3).
Anyways, the 20 centavos have a normal 3 struck over a reversed 3 and that's not always easy to spot on pictures. Even in hand it must be a coin in excellent condition to spot it properly.
I've now spent around two hours trying to find a 20 centavos coin with inverted “3” on internet, but without finding any. In my catalog it's mentioned, but not documented. A “3 invertido” should look more or less like this Ɛ!
I've spent 5 minutes to find one. Ole, don't forget, it's a “sobre 3 invertido” which means it's a normal 3 struck over an inverted 3. That means for starters it's difficult to see and you have to find really sharp pictures.
This one is for sure a 3 struck over an inverted 3 (the first 3):
And I'm pretty sure this is another one (again struck over the first 3):
Hi Essor Prof,
you're are certainly right and your examples are perfect!
Do you want me to set up a documentation based on your images? I'll find the “normal” years in my own collection.
The 1932 has indeed a strange 1. It looks like a repunched 1.
The 1933 definitely has a 3 over reversed 3. Hahaha, you've spent looking for one during two hours yesterday and you have on yourself!
Hmmm, the 1938 is doubtful. There is "something" at the middle of the 3 (red) but also “something” on top of 3 and even outside the date (green). And I also miss a part of the reversed 3 at the end of the 3 (blue) which is very clearly at all other 3 examples. So I don't think this is a 3 over reversed 3.
Admittedly, I looked for a horizontal rotation of the “3”. I never thought about the vertical possibility, which is the logical variation by turning the “3” 180°, which will make an “epsilon”.
I do agree with your analysis of my coins. Tomorrow I'll attack the documentation, since 4 hours on the 20 centimes coins today is enough.
Maybe you should change the year line? I think it's a double 33/inv(33)
I don't know? The two underneath appear different, so I'm not sure what I'm seeing.
Also I don't fully understand our current Numista comment lines:
"KM#167.3 (with designer name, over reversed 33)
KM#167.3 (with designer name, over reversed 3x)"
Does the "3x" mean only the first 3 of 1933 is overdated? Does anyone have the source book for our Numista comments here? Are our “33” and "3x" comments originated from a Chile numismatic source?
Also I don't fully understand our current Numista comment lines:
"KM#167.3 (with designer name, over reversed 33)
KM#167.3 (with designer name, over reversed 3x)"
Does the "3x" mean only the first 3 of 1933 is overdated?
I had the same problem at first but 3x does indeed mean only the first 3 is an overdate. Since 1933 has two 3's, 3x is the only way to express it's about the first 3 without writing in full “overdate only over the first 3”.
Chile • 20 Centavos
