25 Öre - Oscar I 1859

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Good day.

 

25 Öre - Oscar I 1859 has a four leaves laurel wreath the same as 25 Öre - Carl XV 1862-1871, Image below is from Katz auction example on the same page, i have the same coin.

 

below is 25 Öre - Oscar I 1856 that illustrate this coin with different - three leaves laurel wreath 

 

Does it qualify this coin for a different type? or separate listing? is it a mule?

if anyone knows what is the story.

 

Thank you

Hi,

 

that's an interesting find.

 

The km684 1855-1859 (this found in Ucoin) :

1855+1856 have 4 leaves

1857-1859 have 5 leaves

 

The km712 1862-1871 all have 5 leaves.

 

We have to find somebody with a Swedish catalog @ngdawa @Terrazone @goodasgold and hope, they can help further?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Take a look at this, it seems that 1857 was the “break” year, since both types of wreaths were present!

 

 

Comments are welcome.

 

Ole

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

I was thinking if it was radical die update but crown size on top of the wreath is noticeably smaller. But i have no expertise to judge on that.

Right you are, and I didn't see that!

 

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

 1858 change crow to crown 

Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins

Thanks, I did….

 

I'm still waiting for the Swedes to enter in this discussion? It must be a known variety!

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

It says nothing avout any leaves in my book, but my newest Myntboken is from 2012, so if anyone has a newer edition it might've been added.

 

Thanks for trying, anyway.

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

It is not in any of my books eighter, but have found similar finds on other forums and sites. This has now been added to the page.

Interrested in nordic numismatic history, and european history overall.

Always looking for damaged, holed or even unidentifyable coins.

Thank you.

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

So when i asked about it to some of the authorities on swedish coins they refered to it as likely planch variations more so then any new types or similair these where not minted in huge numbers but the planches were reused alot even when damaged (the only change being the dates)

 

I will also see if my Hamrin mentions any variants of this type or not the only catalouge id expect to find this stuff in

In a way, they denied our findings and the “break” year? Strange behavior, I find?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Sjoelund

In a way, they denied our findings and the “break” year? Strange behavior, I find?

More acknowledge that its not a variant but rather an error more its abit complicated to put it bluntly but “minor” variantions are often not taken seeiously on swedish coinage its just seen as variations thats to be expected abit of differing views on the matter especially held by the older collectors and so here in sweden

 

 

"To be clear i think its a case of an worn planchet personally aswell an opion others shared when i showed above some did however agree that i could be an variant due to wear"

Then crowns are NOT the same size, which has nothing to do with wear.

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Sjoelund

Then crowns are NOT the same size, which has nothing to do with wear.

The crown size diffrences i asked about was also told to be diffrent planches (they went through a couple in the production and there where diffrences between some (also some diffrences between mint to mint these were made in 2 or 3 of our mints at the time with no way of dicerning the diffrence between mints)

Hello.

 

As for “different planches”, i have a question.

this planchet variation matches design of next reign - 25 Öre - Carl XV 1862-1871 

i would say it is design “variation”  and should justify new type at least but not an error.

 

Nick

Terrazone

Sjoelund

Then crowns are NOT the same size, which has nothing to do with wear.

The crown size diffrences i asked about was also told to be diffrent planches (they went through a couple in the production and there where diffrences between some (also some diffrences between mint to mint these were made in 2 or 3 of our mints at the time with no way of dicerning the diffrence between mints)

A different planchet with a new design is by definition producing a new type.

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Sjoelund

Terrazone

Sjoelund

Then crowns are NOT the same size, which has nothing to do with wear.

The crown size diffrences i asked about was also told to be diffrent planches (they went through a couple in the production and there where diffrences between some (also some diffrences between mint to mint these were made in 2 or 3 of our mints at the time with no way of dicerning the diffrence between mints)

A different planchet with a new design is by definition producing a new type.

Not according to those i talked to they attribute it to other things 

 

They attribute it to overusing and slacking quality of the swedish mints during the time (when rich people with contacts could get practically any coin outside of gold mintage made for them aa specimens ((which is how Bruun got his extravagant 2kr amongst others at the time))

 

 

 

Another reason mentioned is that alot of coins dated 1860 where repunched as the king died in 1859 they are nominally indiffrent design wise but can show some extra weak strike designs (this was an theory given by one of those who agree with you on the crown diffrences) 

 

 

(I need to clear out that im essentially being an message football i do not personally have a foot in this race)

Terrazone

Sjoelund

Terrazone

Sjoelund

Then crowns are NOT the same size, which has nothing to do with wear.

The crown size diffrences i asked about was also told to be diffrent planches (they went through a couple in the production and there where diffrences between some (also some diffrences between mint to mint these were made in 2 or 3 of our mints at the time with no way of dicerning the diffrence between mints)

A different planchet with a new design is by definition producing a new type.

Not according to those i talked to they attribute it to other things 

 

(I need to clear out that im essentially being an message football i do not personally have a foot in this race)

I understand that fully.

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Sjoelund

Terrazone

Sjoelund

Terrazone

Sjoelund

Then crowns are NOT the same size, which has nothing to do with wear.

The crown size diffrences i asked about was also told to be diffrent planches (they went through a couple in the production and there where diffrences between some (also some diffrences between mint to mint these were made in 2 or 3 of our mints at the time with no way of dicerning the diffrence between mints)

A different planchet with a new design is by definition producing a new type.

Not according to those i talked to they attribute it to other things 

 

(I need to clear out that im essentially being an message football i do not personally have a foot in this race)

I understand that fully.

I have added in more details

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