Difference between two words

Hi!

Can anyone explain to me the difference between COUNTERMARKED and COUNTERSTAMPED.
Thank you!

Antoine

I don't think there's a difference.

Like reeding and milled to describe the edge of a coin, although I think counterstamped is used for stamps. I never hear collectors call stamps "countermarked," and now that I think of it, I don't hear people call coins "counterstamped." Run the two through your head, and you'll know what I mean.

I would say its either because you are stamping it with a design.

I have a lovely big 1828 80 Reis which has been counterstamped down to 40r !

OK thank you

So to sum up there is no difference just preference of terminology.

Ok

Just for   :

I would regard that a counter stamp to be honest since its a picture a counter mark is more like punching a letter or number in to me anyway, either way we all know what each other means ha !

Counterstruck and counterpunch have also been used, counterpunch much less commonly as it's normally associated with boxing.

While the other three are interchangeable, counterstruck is often used incorrectly to refer to a coin which has been punched or stamped with a privy mark or a new denomnination, for example Spanish Real counterstamped for use in the Americas. However, a counterstruck coin is a completely different animal, it's a new coin struck directly over an older issue, using worn or demonetised coins as planchets. Overstrikes.

I suspect there may have been a difference in meaning between countermarked and counterstamped long ago, countermarked being used to indicate a coin was struck at the mint with the mark already included and a counterstamped coins had already circulated before the mark was added. The reason I believe this to be the case is that we now refer to mintmarks but not mintstamps.

Thanks Phil for these infos, it's not easy  
For counterstruck I know it, an example:
The French little size DECIME was counterstrucked in 5 centimes.
But the 2 decimes was counterstrucked in decimes or, modify with "UN" graved on the 2 to change the value. What name give you to this coin? Countermarked cause it is official and by the same mint?

Verweis : monéphilThanks Phil for these infos, it's not easy  
For counterstruck I know it, an example:
The French little size DECIME was counterstrucked in 5 centimes.
But the 2 decimes was counterstrucked in decimes or, modify with "UN" graved on the 2 to change the value. What name give you to this coin? Countermarked cause it is official and by the same mint?

Yes, that's my guess as to how the two terms developed. I haven't researched it and I'm unaware if anyone else has, it's just my guess based on how languages naturally develop.
 
I guess the best definition of countermarked would be - released by the mint with the mark added during or shortly after production.

But with your definition, do you have examples? Because it seem to be idiot to do a coin, and to mark it a short time after...

Its not, the Queen Anne shillings were recalled and stamped over because they were changed to the reverse showing England and Scotland as a union rather than seperate kingdoms !

Counter stamped & counter marked are the very same thing, this is why it is done. very simple and basic explanation here, and does not require any further explanation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countermarked_coin

Verweis : monéphilBut with your definition, do you have examples? Because it seem to be idiot to do a coin, and to mark it a short time after...

Modern US coins are produced with mintmarks but I understand that's not exactly what you mean.

Here's something more along the lines I was thinking of:

http://www.romancoins.info/CMK-Tiberius.html

It seems that having killed off poor old Tiberius, Caligula needed to get his name out in public so continued to release Tiberius' coins with CAG countermarked on them. I'm pretty sure there have been other examples, CSA coinage struck on Federal dies in Alabama for example.

Rather like the Third Reich stamps with occupied countries overprinted on them as they were being over run faster than new stamps could be engraved.

Why has this turned so trivial over something so basic ??????????????????