Maratha confederacy--- sub categories

Major confederacy States & feudatories:

1) 

Hello, 

This is a request for the improvement of the issues of the Maratha empire,

which was inaccurately represented in the catalog (partly due to inaccuracies in the KM catalog)

Map for reference:

1) Peshwa of Pune:

ex:1 Fanam (Peshwas) , 1 Rupee - Ali Gauhar (Poona) , Rupee - Ahmad Shah Bahadur  

                      Subcategories to add under Peshwa's dominions: 

1.                         Newalkar dynasty
2.                         Ghorpade Chiefs of Gooty 

                      Rulers to move to this sub issuer:

    peshwas of pune --- rulers to add

2) Scindia of Gwalior:

ex:1 Rupee - Shah Alam II (Burhanpur) 

                      Rulers to move to this sub issuer:

• Jankoji Rao Scindia (1755-1761)
• Mahadji Rao Scindia (1768-1794)
• Daulat Rao Scindia (1794-1827)(this ruler was both of the maratha empire and ips Gwalior)(1794-1818)& (1818-1827)

3) Holkar of Indore:

ex:1 Rupee - Alamgir II (Indore Feudatory - Sironj) , ½ Anna - Ahalya Bai Sahiba Holkar 

                      Subcategories to add under holkar rulers:

1.                   Indore-Mehidpur Feudatory

                     Rulers to move to this sub issuer:

• Ahilyabai Holkar (1766-1767)
  • refer to rulers of holkar dynasty to add for more!!

4) Gaekwad of Baroda: 

ex:1 Rupee - Shah Alam II (Ahmadabad mint) 

                     Rulers to move to this sub issuer:

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic172067.html 

5) Bhonsle dynasty:

ex: Items from the Kingdom of Thanjavur-Maratha, N#552755,  Parnala, https://www.oswal.auction/auction

                      Subcategories to add under Bhonsle dynasty

1.                     Kingdom of Thanjavur-Maratha 
2.                     Bhonsles of Nagpur 
3.                     Sawants of Wadi 
4.                     Chattarapatis of kolhapur 
5.                     Chattarapatis of Satara 

#there are rulers for all the sub catagories, hence not issuing entities.

                     Rulers to move to this sub issuer:

Key Chhatrapatis of Satara:

• Shahu I (1708–1749): The first Chhatrapati of the Satara line, crowned after returning from Mughal captivity.
• Rajaram II (1749–1777): Adopted son of Tarabai, crowned after Shahu I's death.
• Shahu II (1777–1808): Son of Ramraja (Rajaram II).

ex:

Maratha empire(section):

Maratha empire>Peshwa of Pune():

        Maratha empire>Peshwa of Pune()>Newalkar Maharajas of Jhansi

        Maratha empire>Peshwa of Pune()>Ghorpade Chiefs of Gooty 

Maratha empire>Holkar of Indore():

         Maratha empire>Holkar of Indore()>Indore-Mehidpur Feudatory

Maratha empire>Bhonsle dynasty():

         Maratha empire>Bhonsle dynasty()>Bhonsles of Nagpur

         Maratha empire>Bhonsle dynasty()>Kingdom of Thanjavur-Maratha  

         Maratha empire>Bhonsle dynasty()>Chattarapatis of kolhapur 

         Maratha empire>Bhonsle dynasty()>Sawants of Wadi

         Maratha empire>Bhonsle dynasty()>Chattarapatis of Satara (1708 - 1818)

Maratha empire>Scindia of Gwalior():

Maratha empire>Gaekwad of Baroda():

Hello,

this is mistakenly marked as issuing entity change, while it should probably be marked as rulling authority change, or issuer change? Anyway, please make one thread per request, longer forum posts are confusing and harder to follow.

updated for ease

please consider @Jarcek  with the help of @Sujit  for fixing and modifying this section of the catalog.

please consider @tdziemia & @apuking this will improve the accuracy of this issue greatly  similar to how the Mongolia khanates were structured

please coinsider the change@Jarcek 

@Jarcek @tdziemia @sujit_kumar can we finish this, thanks 

@Jarcek @tdziemia @sujit_kumar can we finish this, thanks 

So, I think if we follow this idea, we split Indian States >  Maratha Empire (3d level issuer) like this:

Indian States > Maratha - Baroda (Gaekwads)

Indian States > Maratha - Gwalior (Scindias)

Indian States > Maratha - Indore (Holkars)

> Sironj Feudatory

> Mehidput Feudatory 

Indian States > Maratha - Kolhapur (Bhonslas)

> Kingdom of Thanjavur

The other possibility is that we explore combining Indian States and Indian Princely States where we already have all of these places (in the geography sense), and Maratha becomes a period.

Thanks!!

for The  Maratha empire we  can do the first option as it is a very complex section 

ex:

Indian States > Maratha empire(section):

Indian States > Maratha empire>Peshwa of Pune()

Indian States > Maratha empire>Peshwa of Pune>Newalkar Maharajas of Jhansi

Indian States >Maratha empire>Scindia of Gwalior()

Indian States >Maratha empire>Scindia of Gwalior>Indore-Sironj Feudatory

Indian States >Maratha empire>Scindia of Gwalior>Indore-Mehidpur Feudatory

Indian States>Maratha empire>Gaekwad of Baroda()

Indian States>Maratha empire>Bhonsles of Nagpur()

Indian States>Maratha empire>Bhonsles of Nagpur>Kingdom of Thanjavur-Maratha  

@Jarcek @tdziemia @sujit_kumar can we finish this, thanks 

@Jarcek @tdziemia @sujit_kumar can we finish this, thanks 

are the following improvenents now good for the catologing.

@Jarcek @tdziemia @sujit_kumar can we finish this, thanks 

please consider@sujit_kumar and @Jarcek  and @tdziemia 

@tdziemia now this thread is fully complete, and ready for execution, regards

Following up on Jarcek's first reaction back in Sept., we already have Gwalior, Indore and Baroda as issuers.  Why not use Maratha Empire as a Period for those issuers, and then add the specific rulers as Ruling Authorities.  Otherwise we just wind up duplicating  sub-issuers in multiple places.

The only fix that a period would do is to somewhat solve the problem with dispersed ruling authorities, however a problem such as seen in Afghanistan could arise with the different coins of the Maratha empire being dispersed across several issuers in the catalogue, also the several sub issuers which were noted would go best in an issuer format such as seen with the mongol empire. So I believe we should just create sub-issuers within the Maratha empire to encompass the history of the independent kingdom and ease for finding coins within the issuer, regards 

please consider@sujit_kumar and @Jarcek  and @tdziemia