Isfandiyar Jurji Bahadur 1 Pul 1910-11 C#3.2 [gelöst]

There do not seem to be any photos of this coin in existence on the internet…anywhere. 

Does anyone know where the information regarding it's existence comes from?

There are many references on the internet (none with images), but they seem to all copy each other.

The reference number C#3.2 must come from a particular catalogue (KM lists as Y3.2 which would suggest Yeoman). I thought C numbers were from Craig but his catalogue covered the period 1750-1850 so would seem to be the wrong period.

Any help on this coin would be appreciated. I have tried to find an example but none seem to exist.

It's the last coin I need for my 20th Century OFEC of all official circulating and non-circulating states, rulers and political entities.

Regards

QuickSilver

If anyone has a copy of Yeoman handy could you see if this coin is listed and what the entry says, or if there is an image?

Many thanks!

This is everything about the Y#3s from the KM books, so the C is definitely wrong.

I only have a Yeoman from '79 and there are only 2 Khiva coins the other stuff is denoted in roubles.

Idolenz, thanks for that!

The Krause entries would suggest these coins are fairly common but as someone who has been chasing one down for a number of years they appear far from it.

I still have no definitive proof they actually exist, from any source.

Anyone else have any information on them?

Thanks in advance.

Lee

Further to this.

I have done some more research and have 2 independent sources that both state no coins were minted during the reign of Isfandiyar.

Stephen Album Rare Coins, which specialise in Islamic coins and have an excellent checklist of Islamic coins. The 3rd Edition of this is available as a free downloadable pdf and has an entry between the entries for Sayyid Muhammad Rahim Khan (1864-1910) and Sayyid 'Abd Allah Khan (1918-1920)which states on page 308 (see attached):

"Anonymous copper coins allegedly dated 1328 and assigned to
Isfendiyar Khan, 1328-1336 / 1910-1918, are actually dated 1228.
There was no coinage struck at Khwarizm 1314-1336, including the
entire reign of Isfendiyar Khan."

The second source is from a book called “Catalog of Pre-Modern Central Asian Coins 1680-1923”.

This book is the work of Vladimir Nastich and Wolfgang Schuster. From what I can gather they are two highly esteemed experts in this field. It is published by Bremer Numismatische Gesellschaft and the 2nd edition is close to release.

The entry for Isfandiyar Khan is on page 214 (see attached) and ends with the quote:

“On this basis no reliably recorded coin issues can be listed under Isfandiyar.”

Based on the above research I believe the 1 Pul coin numbered N#242280 attributed to Isfandiyar should be removed from Numista.

Regards

Lee Breeze

I have yet to see convincing evidence of this type's existence and attribution, I agree.

SARC, Dr. Nastich, and Zeno all deny the accuracy of the ID, and I too cannot find any images online or in references. This type was likely added to Numista during the original Central Asian creation, which copied directly from Zeno and has some errors that are still being ironed out to this day. I would support deleting this coin from the catalog for the time being. Should more information or images be discovered in the future it can be reuploaded, but as of right not I am not convinced this coin actually exists/is attributed correctly.

Thanks for reaching out @quick silver!

Thank You Reslumi,

As referee for this section is this something you will take care of or do I need to make the request elsewhere?

Best Regards

Lee