What year were the two versions issued? (Spain 1000 Pesetas)

There are two versions of this note, both marked 1992. At least one was issued in 1996, according to what I can make out from Numista.

But which one came first?

Try this

http://banknote.ws/COLLECTION/countries/EUR/SPA/SPA0163.htm

They don't say which one was printed when.

It suggests “coarsely hatched” is the 2nd version since you have just a single letter prefix for the 1st version (finely hatched) & a # plus a letter prefix in the 2nd version (coarsely hatched).

These are interesting notes because they have anti-Stokes fluorescence. If the fine hatched jacket was released in 1992 it will be the earliest note I know of with that fluorescence.

If it is like the 2000 Pesetas, then the latter of the two was released in 1996. But what is important for me is to know when the first one was issued.

Gave your message a bump on the Spanish forum :-)

https://es.numista.com/forum/topic172572.html

Hope it helps to find definitive answers

Thanks Bram!

Bump

I found out that the two notes have different UV activity also. This is the dark frill:

And this is the light frill:

On the reverse the light frill also has this green UV ink on the sword, which is not present on the dark frill:

So it looks like they not only changed the design on the obverse, also the UV fibres and UV ink were changed.

Both of these notes have anti-Stokes fluorescence on the reverse. It is a small green square triggered by infrared at 980nm:

I filled in a contact form on the Banco of Spain website. We will see what they say. In the meantime I did more investigating with the notes that I have.

Did you know that they made changes to both the obverse and reverse of these notes?

I used the Oxford Image Comparison tool to make a composite GIF:

When they darkened the collar frill and jacket they also darkened the eyebrow and made the beard more dense on the side. They extended the shadow also towards the middle of the note.

Here's the reverse:

On the reverse also the eyebrow was darkened on the side and the beard was changed slightly. The right side of the moustache is lighter.

But the biggest difference is the registration device. On the note with the light collar, the colours are pink and green but on the dark frill they are blue and pink:

Now, I found a similar situation where a note was issued in 1992 and then changed, mainly by darkening and reissued in 1996. This is the 2000 Pesetas note, where I only have the 1996 issue.

But have a look at a toggle of images I found online:

The later note from 1996 has been darkened similar to the dark frill version of the 1000 Pesetas note. Especially around the face, the process is similar.

This makes me think that the light frill 1000 Pesetas note was issued in 1992 and the dark frill 1000 Pesetas note was issued in 1996.

Either way, it seems the 1000 Pesetas note will have to be split, just as the 2000 is. I am just waiting for confirmation that the light collar was issued in 1992 and the dark collar 1996.

There is no help from the Bank of Spain. I suggest nobody else bothers contacting them for any query like this.

I've purchased a lot of these notes, in various conditions from UNC to F.

I'm seeing a lot of variation in terms of UV fibres and also the colours of the registration device on the reverse.

Then today I got a dark collar note in UNC with UV ink on the helmet and the registration device on the reverse. I previously thought this UV on the helmet (where the sword is) was only present on the light collar notes. That note also has another difference: green and orange fibres instead of green and red fibres.

However I now also have some light collar notes without that helmet UV.

So, it looks like two simultaneous facts:

1. One note was issued first (probably the light collar) and this was then improved and reissued a few years later as the dark collar

2. There were quality control issues with both series of notes

The surprising thing about this is an apparent lack of info in the community. I contacted four guys on eBay who are based in Spain and sell a lot of these notes. They have looked around for me and can find no info on the issue dates of these notes.

I'm now collecting serial numbers from online sales and trying to build a picture of what prefixes were available for each type of note.

By the way, replacement notes were issued for both varieties which supports my belief that there were at least two years between the two issue dates.

One more thing: even the most scrunched up, battered note always has Anti-Stokes fluorescence, no matter which version of note is checked.