1922 British One Penny...27 reversed? [gelöst]

Hi. I've been going through my father's collection and found this coin. I am just not knowledgeable enough to know if this is the 27 reversed or not. Is there anyone who can chime in? TIA

Welcome to numista,

it doesn't look like a reversed “7” at all!

 That is also what I thought the member meant - 

then remembered that some 1922 UK Pennies have a different [scarce] reverse side. 

 N#578 

and down the page in the Comments is this 

· 1922 reverse die variety:
In 1922 a rare variety is 'Reverse of 1927' which has three noticeable features where 

(1927 type on right of image) the teeth on reverse are longer, the thumb on the shield 

is shorter, and the shield is further away from the edge so creating a longer horizon. 

The OP's trident

Normal trident

The rare trident

The OP has just a normal 1922, one penny coin

 Agreed - the middle prong is touching the short tooth - 

the scarce coin has a long tooth away from the trident. 

 I made these now - normal on left / what it should be on right if 1927 reverse type. 

[The 1927 Reverse of a 1922 Penny] 

 The coin of the member has > 

· Longer thumb 

· Shorter edge teeth 

· The wave below the shield is closer  

 so again just a normal 1922 coin. 

Here is the 1927 coin:

Where did the 1927 die come from in 1922?????

 Exactly what I always thought - a 1922 coin using 

a reverse die from five years into the future. 

 Unless - the die was already made, and for 

various reasons it was decided to not yet use it. 

According to https://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk :

There is a very rare variety of reverse for the 1922 penny, which is similar to, but not the same as, the new reverse introduced in 1927. The length of the teeth around the edge is the simplest way of confirming that you have the common form, but see the illustration in One Penny (Bronze, 1902-1936) for more details. 

 Ah, I see. Thanks :) 

Humm…The explanations I've seen never say the date is 1927, but that it's a 1922 dated coin with a rare reverse. Even the picts show 1922. More confused now

 What confusion ?

Your title mentions [19]27 already  

  1922 British One Penny...27 reversed? 

Should be - 1922 British One Penny... with a 1927 reverse design?

 It is always a 1922 coin. 

Nothing else. 

It is just the reverse design that changed - 

on very few coins. 

 As that earlier reply states it is similar to that 

used on a 1927 coin - it still has the 1922 date below.  

rsirian1

According to https://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk :

There is a very rare variety of reverse for the 1922 penny, which is similar to, but not the same as, the new reverse introduced in 1927. The length of the teeth around the edge is the simplest way of confirming that you have the common form, but see the illustration in One Penny (Bronze, 1902-1936) for more details. 

 

I use that site quite often, but you found what it's all about, bravo, I was there and overlooked it.👍

Thanks all. Every time i've come here help arrives :-)

It's probably attributed to an individual die that was made slightly different as they were individually engraved. 

Could be a more detailed engraver or less worn when used. Or they were experimenting with the dies. Maybe they liked this one more so followed the same design in 1927.

Dies were not engraved years in advance as they did not know the order of how many coins were needed until the government ordered them. 

Probably some interesting reading in the mint reports of 1923 and 1922 if you fancy it. 

https://library.royalmintmuseum.org.uk/archive/royal-mint-annual-reports/royal-mint-annual-report-1922-volume-no53 

https://library.royalmintmuseum.org.uk/archive/royal-mint-annual-reports/royal-mint-annual-report-1923-volume-no54/1796914-royal-mint-annual-report-1923-volume-no54-image-4?