I think it is not listed here because it is not internationally recognised as a country. It is, as far as I can tell, a micronation. This wiki page about it gave me a huge smile when reading it, funny stuff!
micronations are present in the list as well, some are not (or yet).
examples:
Cabinda, Westarctica, Araucania & Patagonia, Seborga. Others like Irian, Cabo Dahkla etc.
got incorporated into countries.
Well - you might want to add a new country then - called Hutt River...
Well - better keep it short. Westarctica (a recent new candidate for the list) hadn't "Duchy of Westarctica" added. Like other country's don't have either.
like "Islamic Republic of Mauritania" or "The Commonwealth of the Bahamas" or whatever.
btw. when adding new countries to the list - please don't add a "." at the end. thanks
Hi,
I have some coins from this "country", and all bears the name "Hutt River Province".
Why don't remove "Principalty" and simply name it "Hutt River province" ?
Monaco and Luxemburg are also Principalties and their complete denomination is not used in the country list.
And I feel it could be easier to find the country in the list if the name is shorter...
Honestly, I doubt it will stand a chance with that name.
New countries will get verified and sometimes deleted when unneccessary and their coins
incorporated into existing states. Like Kendahan and Kelantan - which are Sultanates but only
parts and governed by the central government of Malaysia.
Country's names in the Numista database usually orientate themselves
at common catalog names and - as Asimov mentioned - the name people would recall is
"Hutt River", not Principality or Province or whatever type of government it had declared for itself.
That said it would be good if new countries / entities in the list would bear a name that is clear and
easy to remind. Not to mention that it is useful to have them short.
Verweis : Makake77Honestly, I doubt it will stand a chance with that name.
New countries will get verified and sometimes deleted when unneccessary and their coins
incorporated into existing states. Like Kendahan and Kelantan - which are Sultanates but only
parts and governed by the central government of Malaysia.
Country's names in the Numista database usually orientate themselves
at common catalog names and - as Asimov mentioned - the name people would recall is
"Hutt River", not Principality or Province or whatever type of government it had declared for itself.
That said it would be good if new countries / entities in the list would bear a name that is clear and
easy to remind. Not to mention that it is useful to have them short.
The Malaysian states are self-governing & the Malaysian federal government has only a vestigial relationship in the states themselves.All are constitutional monarchies,except for Malacca,Penang,Sabah,& Sarawak.The Malaysian head of state (Yang di-Pertuan Agong or 'King of Malaysia') is elected by & from the monarchs of the Malayan states to serve a 5 year reign,or until cut short by death or ill-health within the period,thus causing the Conference of Rulers to meet to elect a new King of Malaysia.The elected King appoints a regent to administer his home state on his behalf.The Federal Territories of Kuala Lumpur,Labuan,& Putrajaya are administered directly by the federal government through a special department.
Very few states within Malaya itself have had their own coins,which is why the 'Malayan Peninsula' listing needs to be deleted,along with the fact that such a section is redundant.
Since 2006,so far Kelantan & Kedah have had their own Dinars & Dirhams.
I have been informed that both Perak & Selangor have an intention of putting out their own Dinars & Dirhams in the next year or so.
Whether they will circulate like Kelantan's N.D. (2010) coins do will remain to be seen.
But actually it seems both are not allowed to use their own coinage. They strike them, true. But Malaysian Central Government prohibited them to bring into into circulation.
- I read it somewhere but can't find the link again.
The only valid currency is forced to be the Malaysian Ringgit. It's a religion motivated political thing between islamic hardliners and the central government.
They tolerate and even support these Sultanates but they won't let them get more autonomy.
Media says that officials in Kelantan deny that the gold dinar will replace the ringgit (because they are not allowed to I suppose). It is meant "for private transaction on a local basis - as an alternative to
bartering" so they say - to deny any plans to separate from Malaysia maybe?
but... http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne+News/Malaysia/Story/A1Story20100814-232042.html
they seem to have some minor success - 1,000 shop owners and restaurants accept new coins.
So well - maybe it's some kind of high value token coinage then. But still - they're no states / countrys and remain a part of Malaysia unless they really separate
About the Malayan Peninsula listing - I suppose it is there because it is listed in WC, I have to check it.
Malaysia ... ok - it consists of states with partly autonomy. Why not let them be in "Malaysia" in the list and separated internally into Malaysia, Kedah and Kelantan (like it is now)? It would make sense,
and it reflects the procedure we're using on other list entries, too (German states, spanish states,
french cities etc.). It is ok like it is - unless political situation in this area changes.
Well, there are similar examples around: like Basque in Spain, Northerin Ireland (which has own banknotes as far as I recall)
But actually it seems both are not allowed to use their own coinage. They strike them, true. But Malaysian Central Government prohibited them to bring into into circulation.
- I read it somewhere but can't find the link again.
The only valid currency is forced to be the Malaysian Ringgit. It's a religion motivated political thing between islamic hardliners and the central government.
They tolerate and even support these Sultanates but they won't let them get more autonomy.
Media says that officials in Kelantan deny that the gold dinar will replace the ringgit (because they are not allowed to I suppose). It is meant "for private transaction on a local basis - as an alternative to
bartering" so they say - to deny any plans to separate from Malaysia maybe?
but... http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne+News/Malaysia/Story/A1Story20100814-232042.html
they seem to have some minor success - 1,000 shop owners and restaurants accept new coins.
So well - maybe it's some kind of high value token coinage then. But still - they're no states / countrys and remain a part of Malaysia unless they really separate
About the Malayan Peninsula listing - I suppose it is there because it is listed in WC, I have to check it.
Malaysia ... ok - it consists of states with partly autonomy. Why not let them be in "Malaysia" in the list and separated internally into Malaysia, Kedah and Kelantan (like it is now)? It would make sense,
and it reflects the procedure we're using on other list entries, too (German states, spanish states,
french cities etc.). It is ok like it is - unless political situation in this area changes.
Well, there are similar examples around: like Basque in Spain, Northerin Ireland (which has own banknotes as far as I recall)
Professor Umar Vadillo is a Spanish-born Islamic scholar who has studied economics within the genuine Islamic context.
The term 'legal tender' is a very modern concept that DID NOT traditionally exist,especially in the days of the Islamic Caliphate (7th. Century A.D. - 1258).
Despite their status,the current Kelantanese coins DO circulate,not only because they have been issued by the Government of Kelantan,but because the Kelantanese people have chosen to use them in commerce - thus making them currency,despite being gold & silver.In fact,the Government of Kelantan's own employees are paid partly in Kelantanese Dinars & partly in Malaysian Ringgit as an option.
I know of people who have used Kelantanese coins for purchases in places within Malaysia far away from Kelantan - especially in Selangor.
hmm. will read that this weekend. This sounds interesting besides it's relevance for Numista.
However: wouldn't it be ok for you if you would find them listed in "Malaysia". I think they belong here.
As long as they are not marked as tokens it's ok I think. They even got a currency listing on their own.
It's like the "german states"-subdivisions we have. different parts/ states with different currencies - all
together in one semantic unity if you could say that. I mean - they are more easily to find for new users.
I agree with the creation of a section for the Principality of Hutt River . I've only reduced its name (alphabetical order, simplicity).
However, after considering the problem for a while, I think that Kelantan, Kedah and any other Malaysian state that would strike its own coins in the future, shouldn't appear in the country list. They will be displayed as specific categories in the "Malaysia" section.
The "Malay peninsula" section is meant for old coins struck by small states of this geographic area. It has the same meaning as the "Malay peninsula" section in the World Coins 1801-1900.
Xavier,
The modern coins of Kedah & Kelantan are going to be given their own stand-alone listings in Krause's 'Unusual World Coins'.
That is why I had created those 2 categories.
As for the Malayan states prior to 1900,there were so few states that had their own coins,so I reckon it is best to depart from the Krause practice in this case,& give each state's listing as a stand alone category,such as with the coins from Penang.Having a category titled 'Kelantan (prior to 1909)' makes sense,as it indicates to collectors what coins Kelantan had prior to coming under British suzerainty in 1909.
The Krause practice should be used only for an extensive series with more than 10 local states putting out their own coins,such as 'Austrian States','German States','Indian Princely States',& 'Papal City States'.
The British Indian Presidencies of Bengal,Bombay,& Madras should go into separate listings,as each of these has an extensive series in their own right.
