Firstly, I wish to point out that not all Canadians are "Scamming the system." I keep seeing this pop up everywhere and I feel labeled as well as poorly treated as a Canadian citizen.
Secondly! Check to see if the "Canadian Scammer" is a relatively new member. We can all be our own judge of this, but let me point out some interesting facts.
A) Age. Not all collectors in Canada are of the age of majority. Lots of new collectors are young. YOUNG young. Responsibility includes going to school, doing their chores, and Doing their homework.
B) Cost. To send a light package from Canada to overseas costs roughly $10.00 Canadian, (I have had it vary between $5.50 and $17.00) That is 7.29 Euro, $9.67 US, 949.47 Yen, 319.89 Russian Rubles etc. etc. etc... (I missed a conversion? Google has an app.) For a child that's a heck of a lot of dishes to send one package of 5 to 10 coins.
Not done...
C) Cost again! To send that light packet with a tracking number puts the cost at $60.00 CA!!!! (That's 43.74 Euro's, $58.00 US, 5696.84 Yen, 1919.33 Rubles...etc.) The packet better be FULL of silver and gold coins for me to even think about that 600% hike. I don't think a child could do enough dishes in a month to achieve that amount. That's an X-Box or a PS3 Game. Brand new.
So! In conclusion, "Canadian Scammers" are likely a majority of Canadian Children Who's Parent's Said "NO!" Still wanna slam them in jail? How about you do the smart thing and wait for a Canadian package to arrive? If they're serious about the swap they'll send it first.
There's also a smaller population who probably made the arrangement and then saw these prices and said "Screw that!" and walked away from the site. Not really something you can control.
I'm sure sending to England from France is about as painless as sending to the USA from here. Our post service sucks and I know this.
(I do not deny that there are "Scammers from Canada," but I cencerely DOUBT they are that bloody numerous to have given Canada such a black streak on this site!)
Canada is a huge country so it's inevitable the mail will take longer.
I have relatives up there and have yet to lose a letter, in or out. I've also completed several swaps, some of a substantial value with my sparring partner, Torontokuba without any drama. On a couple of occasions it has taken quite some time for the mail to arrive but it gets through eventually.
The application of common sense when packing the coins and filling out the customs dec. will save you from most problems.
I have no problem swapping with Canadians despite Coinsoldier and Swapose. Considering the large number of Canadian members it's inevitable there will be a couple of thieves.
Everyone knows where the multiple accounts are coming from and where the mail service is little more than organized theft. It sure ain't Canada.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
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I've traded with a few Canadians and have bought stuff from them even as recently as yesterday 6 days to arrive in the uk I have no problems with any Canadians what so ever !
I empathize with you, and your comment shall somehow be made available to those younger population North Americans, who might be or become a victim of some postal services.
Honestly, I find the prices in North America outragous.
I have sent a pack to the US recently for EUR 6.67 or USD 8.82 with registered AND priority mail, and I have received my swap partner's pack with a stamp: USD 25.20, normal registered. ... and that was a swap of 40 coins for 40 coins.
... and I got a swap from Canada cancelled after the recognition of postal fees. So, anyways, it is an issue to consider.
Maybe, we Europeans shall double-check the awareness of our North American partners of the postal fees.
I tell my swap partners up front I can only send unregistered due to cost and I have been very lucky to find swap partners that understand and allow me to send unregistered. This eliminates a lot of countries but it is better than nothing.
This is my experience with Canada post for one of my swaps.
First for 2 months i did not get the coins after the swapper had confirmed sending it. Then when the package came it came with only some stamps and no coins. I was surprised but I was very sure he did not cheat and when finally after getting frustrated for 3 months i wrote to him and he said he will send me a new set of coins. I told him to wait for a couple of more weeks. And i was about to write to him to send me a duplicate set. When the coin/package came to me. It was sealed in a plastic cover with a Canadian post letter stating that the contents of orinal cover were broken and hence they had to reseal it and pack it again and apologizing for the same. It was quite a surprise and all coins were there intact. My swap partner was also equally surprised when i told him the story. It seems the Canadian post do check on contents by breaking the covers, when they broke it open probably the postal man sealed only the stamps and sent them first, the coins were taken for may be further examination or so. Then probably it was sent after they found them to be standard coins. Some times patience is key is what i learnt. I have not seen any scammer from Canada or USA. However in USA there is one swapper who never honored my swap and never sent. He is a good numista member but for some reason he did not honor the swap of mine. Otherwise it is all ok.
Verweis : Mark240590I can't understand. Maybe its because the UK and Canada have such a close relationship that they get through quicker to here than other countries !
It's practically the same country, shared demographics, shared Royal events, shared Bank Governor, shared wars, shared culture, shared mint name, etc.
I know except your place makes better quality coins, you have some awesome forests and scenery a short ish flight to America but horrific winters ! Long live royal Canada !
Verweis : imrehI have sent a pack to the US recently for EUR 6.67 or USD 8.82 with registered AND priority mail, and I have received my swap partner's pack with a stamp: USD 25.20, normal registered. ... and that was a swap of 40 coins for 40 coins.
This explains a lot. It's too bad, because it makes swapping to Europe too difficult. $17 difference, is ridiculous. What's going on US postal?
I have swapped with Canadians, and travelled through. I love Canada, I don't know what you are referring to?
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
Canada I only had one problem with Canada and it was on me. being nice. but swap with a lot of Canadians. Always nice and very helpful and nice coins. I have most of the quarters. In fact just got elvis123 swap today.
I have had more problems with France, Italy, and Romania. Have swap with India, Mexico, UK, and South America. With no problems. Some take a lot of time.
yours daryl
I've had many great swaps to Canada. The postage prices there and in the US are insane. I no longer use registered since it makes my end of the swap way more expensive.
It's actually terrible how expensive it is. I've had to really tone down the number of swaps I have and what kind of coins I want, because paying $8 to send 10 coins to europe is crazy, especially when the coins are worth half that.
I recently brought a whole bunch of coins with me to Estonia and sent from there because it was way cheaper
Greetings from Ottawa Canada. Interesting reading. I recently agreed to my 1st swap only to put it on hold because of the postage prices I was quoted. Insane. I will try again hoping that the person I spoke with made a mistake but after reading this I realize that maybe we have higher than normal costs. As far as Canadians go, I think we are good people.
To be honest i think you notice it too much. I can't remember any bad canadian talk in this forum specifically so it means it has left no lasting impression of canadians as scammers.
By that i dont mean that there hasnt been these threads, but what i mean is the point havent been about them being canadians, but them being scammers.
I dont see it any different from someone stating the individual scammer location from any other country. An indian scammer, a canadian scammer, a french scammer, an irish scammer. For me they all just refer to individual person not to a nation.
I have no bad experience with no canadian person.
Verweis : DixxyFirstly, I wish to point out that not all Canadians are "Scamming the system." I keep seeing this pop up everywhere and I feel labeled as well as poorly treated as a Canadian citizen.
Secondly!..................
I totally agree!
We had two perfect swaps before. I trust you, a reliable and an honest person.
Wish you and your family have a wonderful holiday!
Yes, I have had nice swaps with other Canadians and others outside the country... although to some countries (Russia, Ukraine, Panama) I was holding my breath for weeks hoping that what I sent would make it through. (Luckily, it did...)
I have had other experiences with people who wait until everything is confirmed BEFORE saying "by the way, it needs to be registered"! Wow!! That's quite an imposition when even registered letter-post is at least $15 CAD. Luckily, there have not been any extremely serious misunderstandings yet, but please always consider how registered mail may not be cheap for everyone...
