Fake coins

I won these coins on EBay, but forgot to read the descriptions.
They are beautiful, but fake coins.
I like to swap them for 'real' coins. Anyone interested ?

Hello,

How much are you looking to get for them.

Regards

It's illegal to sell or exchange these in the US or Canada.

Pretty pathetic, promoting the Chinese economy like that before the holidays. They are not worth the shipping or the effort. Maybe you can get a copper Numista token for them.

You should be able to apply for a refund from eBay / PayPal.

Verweis : pnightingaleYou should be able to apply for a refund from eBay / PayPal.

"I won these coins on EBay, but forgot to read the descriptions"

I'm guessing that means that they were listed as fakes or reproductions, in which case you can't really ask for a refund.  It's like the guy in the UK that paid hundreds of dollars for a playstation 4 box because he just looked at the picture and then bid, but the auction clearly said in the description that the auction was just for a box.

Just ignorant as i am new to the hobby. How do we identify a fake? When we go to a coin shop which sells lot of old coins in a box... how to determine fake from original. Any guidance?

Comparing photos from reliable and safe sources with photos of the coins you bought or want to buy, sounds like a good start.

Is it not possible to find a dealer or store in your area that prides itself on not selling fakes? I would recommend that as a good start.

I do not go to coin stores where fakes are sold. I do my homework online before making purchases. Sometimes, I hesitate for a year before buying a certain type of coin, that might be prone to being faked on a world power economy scale.

Believe it or not, all my Morgan Dollars are authentic, so far.  I believe that one is a toughie, courtesy of you know who.

Verweis : madhunagaJust ignorant as i am new to the hobby. How do we identify a fake? When we go to a coin shop which sells lot of old coins in a box... how to determine fake from original. Any guidance?

Hello,

Have a look here : https://en.numista.com/numisdoc/modern-fakes-151.html
 

Hope it helps,
J.

"If a buyer suspects that an item is counterfeit and there are strong indicators that the item is counterfeit, the buyer isn't required to return the item to the seller. The buyer agrees to cooperate with us to ensure the proper disposal of the item. In these cases, we refund the buyer for the full cost of the item and original shipping, and the seller reimburses us for the refund. The buyer may not sell the item on eBay or elsewhere."


These are the ToS from the US version of eBay with the germane points underlined.

I paid about $27. But I prefer to swap them for coins.
PS It was in the description that they were fake coins, but I hadn't read it.

In Poland, peddlers at baazars sell this Made in China crap for 5zł/$1.65 a piece.

I have not encountered these in Canada. Maybe in Chinatown? I haven't checked there for coins, don't plan on it.

Here's one that didn't make your set...

Verweis : torontokubaHere's one that didn't make your set...

At least spelling is correct...   

Aye, it was much easier to spot fake "One Dorrah" coins.

Let's give our friend Gerreke a large amount of credit. He's not the first person to bid on an auction without reading the fine print or even any print at all. Now, he could try to recoup his losses by selling them as genuine coins. He hasn't so that makes him a stand up guy in my view.

Verweis : pnightingaleLet's give our friend Gerreke a large amount of credit.

What? Maybe too much eggnog for you?

In that case, I'd like to swap some banknotes I have, for "real" banknotes. I only paid $16.



I'm a sit down kind of guy and I would either destroy them or sit on them, making sure they do not fool another fool.

Personally, I don't think I would ever bid on them, based solely on appearance. I wouldn't even get as far as reading the description.

Glenmoranjie my friend. Finished of the Glennfiddich earlier.

You've never made a rash purchase? I've made plenty, coins, cars, clothes.... I'm considering taking up golf so I can wear some of my more outrageous clothing purchases.

Not such obvious Chinese fakes, no, I haven't. Wasn't the end of auction price a clue? That's a 1796 dollar, right?

Why don't we try rewarding positive behaviour within the hobby. Where on ebay were these fakes purchased? They do not seem to have the word "COPY" stamped on them. I guess the policy is not the same for all ebays. Who was the seller? Maybe a warning for his fellow coin enthusiasts would earn Gerreke some praise. Not this...

If these were being offered as genuine then it would be a problem.

 I've got a modest collection of counterfeit coins. old and new. My black museum. Just added a very plausible looking trade dollar to it. I find it very useful to have known fakes as a point of reference. These were all bought as "not real" for a few cents here and there, no harm done by either the buyer or seller.

The requirement to mark fakes with "copy" is mostly a North American thing and luckily it excludes contemporary forgeries. I don't think that the European version of eBay prohibits their sale so naming and shaming the seller who made it clear the coins were fake wouldn't be productive,

Verweis : pnightingale... wouldn't be productive,

I think it would be, since Gerreke himself purchased them by mistake. How about we prevent such further mistakes. I'll judge for myself, if I ever get to see the "honest" auction they came from. Was there no mention of "Fakes" in the auction title? One would need to read description to figure out these were fakes? All this has me curious...

The day I need to read the description, when buying a 1796 dollar in a bulk lot of coins for $27, is the day I will look towards a new hobby.

"Modern forgeries" not mentioned in title
97.7% rating
Selling only fake coins
Shipping Worldwide
Listed in category: Coins and banknotes> European non-euro/US Coins/Africa> United Kingdom/Germany/Hong Kong/USA/South Africa
Nickname seems appropriate

Great ebay seller

ebay 310815265975
http://www.ebay.nl/itm/Duitsland-Kaiser-Koning-Wilhelm-V-van-Pruisen-5-mark-1876-/310815265975?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_146&hash=item485e0894b7&_uhb=1
Het object 310815265975 is niet meer beschikbaar.
50 objecten gevonden vergelijkbaar met 'Duitsland Kaiser Koning Wilhelm V van Pruisen 5 mark 1876'

ebay 310815259502
http://www.ebay.nl/itm/British-Hong-Kong-1-Dollar-1867-/310815259502?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_146&hash=item485e087b6e&_uhb=1
Het object 310815259502 is niet meer beschikbaar.
50 objecten gevonden vergelijkbaar met 'British Hong Kong 1 Dollar 1867'

ebay 310815257436
http://www.ebay.nl/itm/Verenigd-Koninkrijk-George-V-1-Crown-1935-/310815257436?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_146&hash=item485e08735c&_uhb=1
Het object 310815257436 is niet meer beschikbaar.
50 objecten gevonden vergelijkbaar met 'Verenigd Koninkrijk George V 1 Crown 1935'

ebay 310815254972
http://www.ebay.nl/itm/Zuid-Afrika-5-shillings-1958-Elisabeth-/310815254972?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_146&hash=item485e0869bc&_uhb=1
Het object 310815254972 is niet meer beschikbaar.
50 objecten gevonden vergelijkbaar met 'Zuid Afrika 5 shillings 1958 Elisabeth'

ebay 310815248561
http://www.ebay.nl/itm/USA-Drapet-Bust-Dollar-1796-/310815248561?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_146&hash=item485e0850b1&_uhb=1
Het object 310815248561 is niet meer beschikbaar.
50 objecten gevonden vergelijkbaar met 'USA Drapet Bust Dollar 1796'

Just wondering... When and why exactly would you need to read the description, to figure out there is something wrong with the prices of these coins and their authenticity, especially if you had all these inexpensive auctions end separately? If they were all in the real coins category, get your money back from the seller, don't look for a sheep to swap with on the forum.

http://www.ebay.nl/usr/ome_goof

Apply for a refund regardless of how they were advertised. I sold an old X-box as non-working order; the buyer clearly had not read the description properly, so my funds had been withheld until item had been returned. Fortunately for me he never returned the item so the funds were given in my favour. It's a choice but if you complain you lose anyway.

Verweis : torontokubadon't look for a sheep to swap with on the forum.[/b]

Why? some people enjoy collecting fakes, especially contemporary fakes.

Alright, feel free to fork over $27 in a swap.

I wouldn't.

These round discs hurt our hobby, daily. They represent everything that is misleading, dishonest, confusing and harmful, within coin collecting. Those that are serious about fakes, collect the ones that were made in the same time period as the originals circulated. This is just modern Made in China junk.