Swindlers on Numista

NUMISTA is at this moment given an excellent forum for swindlers.!!

The only thing NUMISTA is doing is deleting messages by fe. BAM777 (BEN) and doing nothing protecting the good guys. Those guys are only protecting swindlers AND in mine oppinion they are swindlers too!
On private messages they do not give any real reaction!


If NUMISTA is really serious protecting all swappers against swindlers, but I don't think so, than they are doing the following immediately:
-1- make a site with a fill-in-form wherein we can write our information needed by the police;
-2- tell ALL referee's that they have to (better say : they MUST) collect those papers and send them, in name of all the swappers, to the police;
-3- make a site where everyone can follow this procedure;
-4- distribute the refund, when this is getting from the swindler;
-5- collect the e-mail addresses, their sending addresses/home addresses, and other needed information from the swindlers; everyone can check if the address is in that list by a search form. The result of that search is given by TRUE; FLASE or MAY-BE!

Besides this NUMISTA and other sites, like COLNET, giving each other the information needed so those swindlers cannot do the same on all the other sites!
In this case I have send a message to COLNET about vikash.barik1 and toden[/b!!

[b]All those swindlers have to be named!! Not by deleting messages, that is protecting swindlers so they can do the same within another swap!

Hoping NUMISTA is making, as soon as possible, the swindlers very, very difficult to do so.

Have a nice day and an good discussion about this problem AND NOT DELETING THOSE MESSAGES (deleting messages is only for protecting swindlers!!).

HI,

I think Numista should collect database of these swindlers with their names, e-mails and addresses. Such a database should not be open to everyone, but there should be possible to enter name, address or e-mail to some form and get an answer whether this person is know as swindler or not, if he is simply don't swap with him.

That's my opinion how this should be implemented.

Regards, Tomas

I agree with you both.

However, you both have to realize that Numista is not a business, and there is only so much time Xavier has to work on it. Both of you have great ideas, but will you actually help implement them?

I would like to incorporate both ideas in to my website, and I wouldn't mind if you came and helped me!  

I can't even begin to imagine how to create such a system.  

If we are talking about my idea it's not hard to implement, I can help I bit with that.

Main problem is to collect such database.

I tried for the longest time to identify the cheats and expose them.  I didn't expect a medal, I didn't even expect a thank you. What I did get however was left out to dry.

Everyone knows where the fake accounts are being created and where a disproportionate number of thieves operate from. It's the big white elephant in the room which everyone has to pretend isn't there. Anyone who points a finger at that elephant is accused of racism and subject to the most vile slanders towards themselves and their family. You will even find your info. posted on jihadist websites with an invitation to "hunt them down and break their bones".

Rather than deal with the problems the Numista team opt for the politically correct option and ban those trying to stop the mayhem. It happened to me and to others. The person responsible for making the most outrageous (and completely fabricated) claims about my wives, past and present and for posting the details of Numista members on militant Islamic websites with an incitement to murder and maim them...... well, he's still here with multiple accounts harassing and threatening those naïve enough to swap coins with him.

I'm not the one being swindled. It's not hard to avoid the cheats with a little savvy. However we have a lot of young members and even some elderly ones who are easy pickings for the bottom feeders. They deserve better.

It's not hard to work out who is doing the thieving. Go to "Start a Swap" and click on "Seniority". That will give you a list of the most recent members. There is almost always a handful from the same country who have positive feedback within hours of signing up. The feedback is usually from similar accounts. There is also a "main account" which doesn't participate in the theft and remains "respectable". However when that respectable name keeps cropping up in the feedback of scam accounts then you don't have to be a Rocket Surgeon to work out what's going on.

I used to identify these crooks long before they moved in for the kill but the only result was public slander and wild accusations of racism and being a part of an extremist right wing plot. Ben, Radrick, me and others are apparently members of a Neo Nazi organization. No, I'm not joking, this really happened. I got no support from the administration, quite the opposite, they couldn't wait to throw ME under the bus. The multiple sock puppet accounts were allowed to remain and invariably scammed a lot of people before unsubscribing, rinse and repeat.

Too busy to deal with the matter? Plenty of time to create a nice profit from Numista "coins". I guess it comes down to priorities.

This is a big issue, the member that posted this has called me a swindler and hounded me several times accusing me of protecting the swindlers.
I have a solution: I have a list of scammers addresses. I have compiled them with many people's help.
I will state here that people can ask me: BUT according to the above member I am a swindler so can you trust me?

 Hey bam777 nothing like babysiting. Swindlers are everywhere in no short supply.

I have one suggestion. When you go to the swindlers double coins list, there stands this:

ATTENTION:
THIS MEMBER RECEIVED VERY NEGATIVE RATINGS FROM OTHER MEMBERS.
HE MIGHT BE A SWINDLER.
YOUS SHOULD BE VERY CAREFUL IF YOU WANT TO SWAP COINS WITH HIM.

(As first it should be "You", not "Yous" in the last row).

This is made to warn the people who want to swap with him. But what with people that already have swap with him? Shouldn't it also be written in swap page if You have active swap with him so if You didn't send coins to him, You should be careful. That is why because when You have chosen coins, or You have confirmed the swap, You wouldn't return to his double coins list because You had already chosen coins You were interested in.
Please, tell me what do You think of my suggestion?
Thank You!
Regards
Kuna

Tnkx for the positive reactions.

The given 5 points can be devided in three parts : point one for the swapper to address what has happened with the swindler. Giving name, address, aso. For the rest of all actions.
Point two till four is an action to be done by the country-refferree and the local police to get the swindler 'in jail'.
Point five is a search form in the registered information from point one.

Verweis : bam777This is a big issue, the member that posted this has called me a swindler and hounded me several times accusing me of protecting the swindlers.
I have a solution: I have a list of scammers addresses. I have compiled them with many people's help.
I will state here that people can ask me: BUT according to the above member I am a swindler so can you trust me?

The only I have said is that deleting messages whereby is asking for swappers with that indian guy and got nothing like me, that we together could go to the police in our country.

ONLY deleting that message and futheron doing nothing is the same as protecting a swindler like swindlers are doing. That gives me the big idea that you are a swindler too!

On all next messages I only became a nothing saying reaction; even as I did with those 5 points action -> NO reaction!

Ben, Ben...... I've been your biggest supporter since you became moderator and your friend for longer than that.

Have you any idea how it feels to be called racist, wife beater, drug addict, liar, thief AND swindler with nothing done about the perpetrator? How about accusing your wife of having sex with an animal?

Now you are upset because you are merely called a swindler once?

As the Numista team have created this environment, It seems churlish to complain. At least he isn't inviting islamofascist whackjobs to hunt you down and kill you.

It's not a big issue, considering all that has been gleefully allowed to stand over the past few months it's pretty damned trifling.

I know...this needs to be sorted out and now that I am on holiday I can try and appease everybody but the swindlers!

My opinion on the point of the referree's, I myself am here to use the knowledge of the catalogue, people's  help and vice versa, and ofcourse to expand my collection, not to play police officer every day. I think that is a wrong use of the referree system, but we might can appoint someone to be a police officer thing...

pnightingale, you racist and sizeist, much like Santa, why does the elephant have to be big and white.

el182592, all your ideas are a waste of time on Numista. It's been tried. Use your head and swap at your own risk. There is no solution here. Many of us have tried.

When I began posting on the forum, I had to fight just to add a link to a swindler's profile. bam777 and Walder Coins are welcome to continue their existence here as the volunteer pocket pool players. Standing on the sidelines with their hands in their pockets is all I expect from them. bam777 had a short lived fire set under his butt after getting dragged into the thick of things and accused a few times. Do not expect anything from a volunteer on the Numista Team. They are the equivelent of being a stationary road sign and half the time they point in the wrong direction.

I have not been swindled by a thief on Numista or ripped off by the unscrupulous members of Numista. Don't get greedy. I prefer to swap with former swap partners, well established members with a good reputation or publicly active forum participant that I get along with. Initiating new swaps is no longer of any importance to me, at least not here on Numista. I reserve the right to decline a swap, without providing a reason as to why I am declining.

toden approached me twice, I declined twice.

Police? Really?   

Sorry but it sounds for me a childish idea.  

Swap is the risk which you take if you want to get some coins which are not so easy to get at your local city or country. It's the risk not only by swindlers but also for lost post.

Verweis Everyone knows where the fake accounts are being created and where a disproportionate number of thieves operate from. It's the big white elephant in the room which everyone has to pretend isn't there.

...Thailand?!

My friends never believe me when I say "there are arguments on my coin websites"! "What can you argue about?!" Well... I guess I am new to all this, but one day I look forward to being just as angry as the next person on Numista.

Hello,

Publicly naming a member as a scammer and revealing his/her name and address is against law, at least in France. That's sad on some aspects, but I won't take the risk to allow infringing this law.

If you have a bad swap experience with a member, you can 1) give a negative rating; 2) contact bam777 to act as a mediator and/or to post an alert on the member's account; 3) contact your local police to file a complaint.
We can help providing any useful information to the police if they ask for, but it's not our role to help you contacting the police.

Kuna, thank you for sharing this idea. I've just implemented it.

@ Xavier a public list / thread consisting only the hometown and the streetname is good enough and not against any law

Verweis : XavierPublicly naming a member as a scammer and revealing his/her name and address is against law, at least in France. That's sad on some aspects, but I won't take the risk to allow infringing this law.

Hi, you don't need to name and give any address publicly, we just need a form there we could ask if this address was ever used by swindler.

Regards, Tomas

A list here would also do it.

eg.

Scamer and swinderlist:
country/town/phantasieroad


completly enough and against no law

Hello all,

In my point of view, there is an accusation to a Numista member "TODEN", with whom I already swapped with success in the past.

He states on his description "I ALWAYS SEND FIRST". and on his messages TOO!!!! Slow swapper, ok - that´s true. However, his coins are not usually seen and he sents with seal and proof warranty which is highly uncommon.

So, what do you want more than this? Sit down and wait - and not go running sending coins.  i read "I send first". what´s the big issue?!

Of course, after this thread, some other ongoing swaps were given negative rating WITHOUT losing anything.

I believe he is not a swindler... but, you guys already "destroyed" his reputation..............

I don't know if he's a swindler either. I agree, his reputation is ruined, but, mostly from his own inconsistencies.

1. Lack of communication - He has irritated a handful of members.

2. Warning on Numista - The result has been an automatic warning on his profile... https://en.numista.com/echanges/membre.php?id=18605

3. He's quick to check all silver coins - I didn't see anything worthwhile for him to send first.

4. Why send people swap emails, like he did with me, in the middle of being so busy and absent from home?



This box and explanation is publicly visible here... https://en.numista.com/echanges/profil.php?id=18605

He shows a huge lack of respect and consideration for all those he approached and then ignored. They called him on it, his ratings show that. toden can only blame toden.

I am on users toden side and I know with whom I will never swap here (2 guys).

Anyway for general preventation, I think my idea is not so bad.

Verweis : XavierHello,

Publicly naming a member as a scammer and revealing his/her name and address is against law, at least in France. That's sad on some aspects, but I won't take the risk to allow infringing this law.

If you have a bad swap experience with a member, you can 1) give a negative rating; 2) contact bam777 to act as a mediator and/or to post an alert on the member's account; 3) contact your local police to file a complaint.
We can help providing any useful information to the police if they ask for, but it's not our role to help you contacting the police.

Kuna, thank you for sharing this idea. I've just implemented it.

Going to the local police (in the country where I'm living) is wasted of time. They are doing nothing; only if a lot of people (more than 10 -I think-) is doing this. We have to go to the police in the country where the swindler is lived in. And the only person who can do it is the country-referee.

And all mine suggestion are only making it simply for that referee to go to the police in our name(s) with the needed information.

So XAVIER your reaction is out of context.
Another thing : Publicity naming of a person by only his NICKNAME is never against any law in any country. It could be if we are using his real name and/or his address!

Verweis : el182592We have to go to the police in
the country where the swindler is lived in. And the only person who can
do it is the country-referee.
And all mine suggestion are only making it simply for that referee to go
 to the police in our name(s) with the needed information.

This is a horrible idea in so many levels.
 
Firstly how come only referee can go to police?
Its not like all referees are living in country they are referees for

They already spend their free time without any pay or benefit other than helping us and each other by making this website a better place and updating information for so many coins.
They are not employees of the website and it is a bit bloody much to start expecting them to go to police in our behalf as well. Especially because as I say it is not as if they always even live in a given country.

Also - hello like!!!! - for someone to go to police on someone else's behalf they should be able to trust that what they are going to say to cops is 100 pct true. No way I would ever go to police in behalf of someone I don't trust 100 pct. And how can referees trust us all 100 percent?

I rant on late, gotta go back to work, lol.

I think the individual needs to be careful with whom he is swapping. Swapping with new members is a risky art, you can identify the swinder based on his communications. You need to be careful. I avoid people who are silent and select the coins they want without any messages. I also avoid people with dubious addresses. I check the country from which the person originates. Some countries i avoid, but it does not mean all from that country are bad. Finally you take the risk on yourselves. You must be ready to loose a few coins. It is ok, part of the game.

But what i noticed is some times a few members who get very negative or zero ratings have a message posted on their swap page warning other members that this person is a suspect. But after a few months it disappears and again this person seems to be on the prowl with the same ID. I wonder why it happens. It should not happen unless Admin verified and accepted he is genuine and no need for the warning.

Hope i have not offended anyone  

To add further- I believe this is so far the BEST website i have ever come accross for swapping coins. It is so easy and nice to use. Less complicated but at the same time has all the necessary features that a swapper wants. In many other sites, just you will find an email id and you will need a lot of time to just set a swap. Many times you would not know if the person has any coins you are looking for. I will vote this site as the best.

@madhunaga
i agree with what you said.
Unfortunately there is scammers everywhere, but as you say there are some warning signs to look out for.
If communication with someone smells bad, it usually is.

I don't think that it is possible to eliminate the scammers, but there must be something that can be done. Good thing is that a system works well if we take few moments to look around about person we want to have a swap with.
To look what feedback they have gotten and also given - theres a lot to be said about someone by feedback they give themselves.
To look into who has given them feedback and if theres crossrating and accounts giving feedback to one another.
To look into someones swap coins or collection, because sometimes you can see already from these that something is iffy.
To look into their forum posts if there is any.
Anything that helps to decide if person is genuine.
There is no formula, but our sixth sence and common sence....

From websites point of view it would be great to come up with any helpful idea to list scammers etc, but nothing stops them making continuous new accounts so its a dead end chase...

I got this message :

Verweis Dear Bert

You wrote very late. The Indian Post Online server is down so I can not check if Barik's registration number is fake. However since he has also cheated 3 good members in colnect ,I feel his numbers would be fake as he has sent registration numbers to colnect members and replied to emails  3 months later telling he will send the coins "after his exams"..
Unfortunately Barik stays in a Eastern Indian city which is 2000 km from my city so I can not  file a local police complaint. This month I had helped an Austrian collector recover $650 worth of coins from a Indian dealer in my city who cheated him.But my city is one of the largest in the world and the police  and cyber police are very strict in crimes against foreigners.

India has very strong cyber crime laws... I do not know how effective the police in his state will be but please send a complaint to splcidcb.orpol@nic.in ( email ID of Orissa state Cyber Crimes cell)
Also ask all members in numista who have been cheated to write to this email address giving  the amount lost, name,, address of Barik, date of crime , IP address of Barik and email address  of Barik.

I have traced Barik's facebook profile.. He is a young boy and sad to see he is such a criminal at a young age..
Link to Facebook Profile Removed

I will write to Barik and humiliate him till he  blocks me ,, however as he is not a member of any numismatic group in India, he can not be forced.,If you have a facebook profile join the 2 coin groups ,barik is a member of in Facebook and tell the  group admin to humiliate and bar  him form the group till he sends the coins.. That way at least no  one in India or abroad will sell or  swap coins with him.. he will  treated as a crook.

I have another good suggestion Akash7 the numista referee for India is from the same city as Barik i.e Bhubaneshwar Tell all numista members who have been cheated to write to Akash7 and tell him to  go to Barik's address and ask him to return the coins.... or threaten him with a local Police FIR report (complaint) as well. If both a Cyber and local complaint is done Barik will get arrested and  have a very bad time.
Akash is a student too so he must be asked to help..

You will get the IP address /email address of Barik from Admin or moderator ,. However I do not know if bam777 will cooperate.. He normally supports cheats.. he supported a Turkish cheat elturco who sent  me only a post card and no coins in return for many unc coins I sent him and also supports p.nightingale who is a big cheat  and liar and scares people who complain about him( see his feedback) ..
You can request Xavier for help though

regards,

I have send this message to all (11 persons) who has rated him negative the last month.

1. No mod should give anyone's IP address to no other member of the site.
2. Which referee would be stupid enough to turn up on someone's doorstep demanding someone's lost coins putting himself to a SERIOUS risk by doing that?
3. Naming and blaming people like that with no proof provided makes me wanna spit. Don't turn it into another webwar.
4. The ways described in this supposed e-mail are not the ways of Indian police and no police in the world takes cyber crime seriously in a small scale.
5....Facebook page... yeah, that will sure scare him off from scamming people... I have sarcasm written all over my face.
6. and final point. The only punishment he will ever get is what goes around comes around. Hopefully sooner or later. But until then he's laughing at people who waste their time tying to get police to do something about it.

If you do get somewhere with it, great. But it will not be worth it as you end up spending more time and nerves on it than it is worth.

Verweis : KartWay4. The ways described in this supposed e-mail are not the ways of Indian police and no police in the world takes cyber crime seriously in a small scale.

I would think Indian officials have more important things to attend to, than a few overpriced and overvalued lost coins. Anyone can claim that the post office did not deliver them. Then who do you blame, the sender, the receiver, the sending post office, the receiving post office. Waste of time for an actual cybercrimes unit. There are also no real contracts or any legal protection while using Numista. Basically, only send stuff that you can afford to lose. Also, do not overvalue your coins. It's hard to take someone seriously when they inflate their coin values beyond any realistic expectations.

"Cybercrime is generally defined as a criminal offence involving a computer as the object of the crime (hacking, phishing, spamming), or as the tool used to commit a material component of the offence (child pornography, hate crimes, computer fraud). Criminals can also use computers for communication and document or data storage."

Coin swaps where two individuals (without a signed agreement or transaction receipts) handle the coins, then two post offices (in two different countries) handle the delivery, are probably of no concern to cybercrime units with real cases.

Based on a news story I watched before Christmas, seems to me that officials in India are busy enough overlooking the basics.

Wash your hands, don't pick your nose: Indian food vendors told
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/kt-article-display-1.asp?section=todaysfeatures&xfile=data/todaysfeatures/2013/december/todaysfeatures_december10.xml

You want to send $650 worth of coins, register it, insure it and declare it. What Numista swindler is going to pay duty, show their ID and sign their name?

Verweis : el182592I got this message :

Verweis Dear Bert

You wrote very late. The Indian Post Online server is down so I can not check if Barik's registration number is fake. However since he has also cheated 3 good members in colnect ,I feel his numbers would be fake as he has sent registration numbers to colnect members and replied to emails  3 months later telling he will send the coins "after his exams"..
Unfortunately Barik stays in a Eastern Indian city which is 2000 km from my city so I can not  file a local police complaint. This month I had helped an Austrian collector recover $650 worth of coins from a Indian dealer in my city who cheated him.But my city is one of the largest in the world and the police  and cyber police are very strict in crimes against foreigners.

India has very strong cyber crime laws... I do not know how effective the police in his state will be but please send a complaint to splcidcb.orpol@nic.in ( email ID of Orissa state Cyber Crimes cell)
Also ask all members in numista who have been cheated to write to this email address giving  the amount lost, name,, address of Barik, date of crime , IP address of Barik and email address  of Barik.

I have traced Barik's facebook profile.. He is a young boy and sad to see he is such a criminal at a young age..
Link to Facebook Profile Removed

I will write to Barik and humiliate him till he  blocks me ,, however as he is not a member of any numismatic group in India, he can not be forced.,If you have a facebook profile join the 2 coin groups ,barik is a member of in Facebook and tell the  group admin to humiliate and bar  him form the group till he sends the coins.. That way at least no  one in India or abroad will sell or  swap coins with him.. he will  treated as a crook.

I have another good suggestion Akash7 the numista referee for India is from the same city as Barik i.e Bhubaneshwar Tell all numista members who have been cheated to write to Akash7 and tell him to  go to Barik's address and ask him to return the coins.... or threaten him with a local Police FIR report (complaint) as well. If both a Cyber and local complaint is done Barik will get arrested and  have a very bad time.
Akash is a student too so he must be asked to help..

You will get the IP address /email address of Barik from Admin or moderator ,. However I do not know if bam777 will cooperate.. He normally supports cheats.. he supported a Turkish cheat elturco who sent  me only a post card and no coins in return for many unc coins I sent him and also supports p.nightingale who is a big cheat  and liar and scares people who complain about him( see his feedback) ..
You can request Xavier for help though

regards,

I have send this message to all (11 persons) who has rated him negative the last month.

The slander campaign continues.

Is enough, enough yet?

Is the guy going to be finally removed or do we have another forum war? If you think this psychotic is going to be allowed to lie and slander me without response you are clearly underestimating me.

Quite apart from the obvious lies about several members, what is being proposed is not only dangerous but illegal, especially as it involves a minor. Hello... cyber stalking and physical harassment ringing any bells? Numista referees are going to turn up on people's doorsteps and strongarm children into giving up coins.  The Facebook ID of a young child is being circulated so that he can be bullied, threatened and harassed.

What the hell is happening to this site? It's downright scary and no child of mine would be allowed anywhere near this website while this type of craziness continues.

Last time you (administrators) had a huge pouting session and insisted that you were the ones to deal with this type of garbage and that individual members should not respond. Well, ok then. Here's your chance. No prevarications, no vague mumblings about taking action at some unspecified future date. The discord on the forum began with the arrival of this individual. He has been banned permanently from using the forums (here and elsewhere - you can see why in the email above) but as he is clearly able to continue his campaign of smears, lies and inflammatory tactics by spamming emails to all and sundry it seems clear that it won't end until he is removed from the site entirely.

Deal with him or I will.

Phil, you've got to see both sides. I agree with you wholeheartedly, but why should this person, even a young boy, be permitted to continue swindling.

Verweis : dptashnyPhil, you've got to see both sides. I agree with you wholeheartedly, but why should this person, even a young boy, be permitted to continue swindling.

I'm not suggesting he should be Dan. He should be identified, ostracized and then ignored.  End of story. It's a few coins, you really think it warrants gestapo type kicking in doors, on line stalking, cyber bullying and a physical confrontation?

If this kind of lunacy is the future of Numista I'm not really sure I want any part of it. The author of the above nonsense is the same person posting details of Numista members on muslim websites calling for them to be "hunted down and their bones broken". These are not scam artists he is suggesting should be maimed, these are people who simply don't agree with his crazy schemes. Such people don't need to be around anyone's children, thieves or not.

The idea that the Numista administration would provide anyone's personal information to someone so unstable is just laughable.

It is not acceptable to incite others to bombard individuals through Face book or to turn up at their homes making demands. This suggested two pronged approach of breaking the law and calling upon the police seems a little mad.

Report Problems to moderators and do not spread peoples personal details.

Hi! I live in Odisha too. It's next to impossible to find 'Barik' in Bhubaneswar! There are hundreds & thousands Das, Nayak, Naik, Sahu...... Unless some one bribes the 'Post Man', the 'Super Intendent Post Master' to get to Barik's address. Then when you go to Barik's family, which BARIK do you confront? The first answer will be a 'NO'.... In one harmonious chorus!
Then, if anyone's got the guts, time & a whole wad of UNC cash, go to the 'Indian Police'! And, what will they do? Absolutely Nothing! Maybe give you a cup of sweet Chai, take your mobile number and say they will keep in touch.....

LOL.

So your "action" is to remove the crook's Facebook ID but leave the lunatics final paragraph where, true to form, he slanders all and sundry. Great job.

Removing the link on the public forum may make it look like you have done something but that email with it's lies and unwarranted attacks on Numista members is typical of the hate filled spam this nutcase is sending out to anyone he thinks is dumb enough to listen to his rantings. It's not the first one is it?

He is using the facilities provided by Numista to engage in a long running campaign of harassment and deceit extending over a period of months. If it's not already clear to you by now that this is a very, very unstable person with a taste for inciting violence against other collectors on the slightest pretext, real or imagined.... I honestly don't know what to say to you to make you understand.

Don't you feel ANY obligation for the safety of Numista members?

Let me ask you administrators a question framed in plain English to which I would appreciate an equally plain response:-

As predicted, merely banning this individual from the forum, while a step in the right direction has merely lead him to use different tactics. Anyone sending a coin which doesn't meet his expectations, anyone disagreeing with his frankly silly opinions, anyone opposed to his plans to illegally harass and threaten others has been subject to the most vile smears and threats from his myriad accounts. This isn't an isolated problem, it's a pattern of behavior. His agenda is clear as he is demanding assistance from the members of some pretty sinister websites in shutting Numista down.

Now here's the question - on what planet is this type of conduct acceptable and what is going to be done to stop it?

I'm sick of seeing my name attached to this lunatic's ravings as I'm sure his other victims are. I don't cheat, I don't lie any my feedback s freely viewable by anyone.

Please, I'm asking you in all sincerity to let this sad man go on his way where he can live out his super agent, crime fighting fantasies far away from the normal people.

So... which mystery individual is which...?

Sorry threadstarter, but the cause you are fighting for is a dead battle and not everyone who looks friendly, is really a friend. Be careful and cautious and I hope you don't get any more bad experiences like that. I'm sure you are very sad for losing coins to a scammer and so would we, but please don't repost other peoples emails trashing other members like that.

I'm hereby leaving this thread, because I don't think raging lunatic deserves any more time from any of us.
I vote for just ignoring the raging lunatic from now on (and I'm not talking about threadstarter of course).
As much as we can we can do our best trying to warn great people in Numista.
Keep calm and carry on...

I will let you know that I after almost 6 month got mine coins from Vikash Barik.
With the help of another Indian guy.

He is available on FaceBook so you can cantact him there and trying getting your coins too.

After trying getting a swap by some facebooks-groups I always send the message "be carefully swapping with Barik".
I think those message has helped a lot by getting mine coins.

saw him in a facebook swapgroup. another group with problems probably.

I think that this guy holds a record. https://en.numista.com/echanges/profil.php?id=33320
He cheated 22 people with one profile!!!  
Guys, you should be more careful.  
Regards
Kuna

Verweis : KunaI think that this guy holds a record. https://en.numista.com/echanges/profil.php?id=33320
He cheated 22 people with one profile!!!  
Guys, you should be more careful.  
Regards
Kuna

Haha, the irony of his address made me laugh.

Verweis : lbillows

Verweis : KunaI think that this guy holds a record. https://en.numista.com/echanges/profil.php?id=33320
He cheated 22 people with one profile!!!  
Guys, you should be more careful.  
Regards
Kuna

Haha, the irony of his address made me laugh.

Hahhahahahaah. I agree.      

I want to see a couple  words about Jacub Dolovan fro Slovakia,  who is under " PEGASSUS " nick here.

 He selected about 70 coins  from my swaplist (  67-68) . As I understand, he collect East Europe countries by years and mintnames.     So,  I  offered a price: $ 35 for all coins ,+ postage price.  As the weight was too big (  was a big chance  to overweight of  250 gramms) ,  he decided to  buy coins, which could   be put in the letter with total weight near to 250 gramms. So, the  postage price could  be  cheaper.   I said that 250 gramms is about 15$ , and more then 250 is about 22$ ( registered mail). Its a price of Georgian post, and its not my  fault  or problem.   Then, he said  "OK  for $ 35+  $15 postage " . An we confirmed a trade without any forces for the each part. He promised to  send me $25 via Paypal, and then another $25  after I  should  show him  a proof of sending ( paper with stempel  of  sending date, his name, weight, and price. and, registered number, of course "  . Yesterday, on Friday evening, I  spent about 2 hours preparing  that coins, looking each  mintname through lens,  - I  done all my best to making him full satisfacton !  And  I have put almost all ( exept 5 cheap USSR coins )  coins in 250-grammed  letter ! .  I closed the letter, wrote his name and address, opened Numista.com and  discovered his  message , where he  was writing that  Someone on Slovak  forum said then Im cheater offering him  this coins for $ 35, and he easily can buy that coin  for  7-9 euros !  My Gosh !  Almost  70  selected coins  for  7-9 euros?  Sure !!!  You can also  find    10 pounds of coins in your  dead-neighbor`s home, but it doesnot mean that  they dont cost a price !  So, to be shorter,  his  writing tone was sarcastic and agressive to me,  while he  agreed himself   to my   very nice offer.   Again, I want to  say to everybody  that  , that $ 35 for me  are not   an important money.  Important  for me is   partners  Honesty and reliability.     Its not  rightstep in deals.   Hope you will  agree all,  and second, - if You are so    small age that cannot decide   what   pay  for what, - better dont  put your nose in deal. Thats all  I wanted to tell.   Thanks and soory  for your time

I agree with You. I also saw Your rating You got (0 stars). You should ask Bam to change it to "no rate" because the swap had never happened.
Regards
Kuna

Another little sentence about swindlers.

Stick to your well known swap partners if you don't want to find your self in tears.

Best regards, Tony

Verweis : Dato MikeladzeI want to see a couple  words about Jacub Dolovan fro Slovakia,  who is under " PEGASSUS " nick here.

 He selected about 70 coins  from my swaplist (  67-68) . As I understand, he collect East Europe countries by years and mintnames.     So,  I  offered a price: $ 35 for all coins ,+ postage price.  As the weight was too big (  was a big chance  to overweight of  250 gramms) ,  he decided to  buy coins, which could   be put in the letter with total weight near to 250 gramms. So, the  postage price could  be  cheaper.   I said that 250 gramms is about 15$ , and more then 250 is about 22$ ( registered mail). Its a price of Georgian post, and its not my  fault  or problem.   Then, he said  "OK  for $ 35+  $15 postage " . An we confirmed a trade without any forces for the each part. He promised to  send me $25 via Paypal, and then another $25  after I  should  show him  a proof of sending ( paper with stempel  of  sending date, his name, weight, and price. and, registered number, of course "  . Yesterday, on Friday evening, I  spent about 2 hours preparing  that coins, looking each  mintname through lens,  - I  done all my best to making him full satisfacton !  And  I have put almost all ( exept 5 cheap USSR coins )  coins in 250-grammed  letter ! .  I closed the letter, wrote his name and address, opened Numista.com and  discovered his  message , where he  was writing that  Someone on Slovak  forum said then Im cheater offering him  this coins for $ 35, and he easily can buy that coin  for  7-9 euros !  My Gosh !  Almost  70  selected coins  for  7-9 euros?  Sure !!!  You can also  find    10 pounds of coins in your  dead-neighbor`s home, but it doesnot mean that  they dont cost a price !  So, to be shorter,  his  writing tone was sarcastic and agressive to me,  while he  agreed himself   to my   very nice offer.   Again, I want to  say to everybody  that  , that $ 35 for me  are not   an important money.  Important  for me is   partners  Honesty and reliability.     Its not  rightstep in deals.   Hope you will  agree all,  and second, - if You are so    small age that cannot decide   what   pay  for what, - better dont  put your nose in deal. Thats all  I wanted to tell.   Thanks and soory  for your time

I actually sold him some coins for 8 euro's. He transfered the money yesterday. But it wasn't an amount of 70 coins.

And I agree with Tony too.

Tony,  I am agree with you. Mostly Ido   as you  talk -  I have more than 5-7  deals which  my best partners.   and, I didnot  have any important interest in this deal - it was  just $ 35 ( 5-20 minutes of my  workin` time, it depends on the  surgical operation  which is performed) , but  I remember  when I was  a student, when I was a pupil in school. and  I was trying to do something to earn  little money for  coins.  . Now  I dont have  this   problem, but  anyway  - I  try  t explain to everyone that satisfaction is not  cheap stuff.  You must earn it. And the passion always  costs some money.     Numista.com is nice  stuff, but it doesnot means that  all members are beginners.  Most of  "old"  members prefer to swap and trade among  the nearest    friendship  borders and not  trying t0 find   new  people. Again, my   many-years partnerrs  are so well-known   numismatists, as  Marcel Zumstein ( contributor of Krause Book), Ole Sjoelund ( contributor of Krause Book), Wolfgang Schuster ( contributor of Krause Book and Schon Book),  Paul Baker ( contributor of Krause Book and  founder of well-known  web " African coins - All around Africa"),  Egon Conti rossini ( well-know dealer and ebayer ), Frans Hallendall  ( Dutch   webpag-er, swapper and trader) , Jose C. Lopez -  swaps  at more than $ 400 -500 in total , Christian Bejanee Liban -   first deal  of $ 700 and second $ 250 about,  Hartmuth Schoenawa ( Germany)  - total  deal  about  $ 1000and maybe more , Same with   Brink Labscher - total deals  about $ 500,   David Rivera Alonso  -  founder  of well-knwn web " worldcois news"  (  I  had  with him  several   great  trades)   and many and many others.  Money is nothing, more important  stuff  for me  are:  Honesty, Reliabilty,  Kindness . At this  deal, as it was my  " coin-interest" deal, I agried  , and  it was my mistake - I should have to  see a  very-very beginner who can say at any moment -  "  Are  You crazy, dude?!   $ 50 for you f-n 70 cons????  ha-ha-ha !!! " and  i think myself as cheater.... Its a   big schok for me. Im  more than 14-15 years in the internet swaps and more than  25 years in active Numismatics....   wish you all Good Luck and All the best.   
David Mikeladze
Tbilisi, Georgia,
visit and friend me  on facebook ! ( see my  link on profile !)

F.A.O. BAM777

Ben, you asked the following question in this thread:

"Your integrity is upheld and Shamikb is not on the forum to slander. None of his words remain; do they?"

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic29131.html

I didn't answer elsewhere because a} I've been busy and b} I didn't wish to derail the discussion.

However the answer to your question is yes, his slandering continues and his words remain and are even being forwarded to multiple people. See above.

"However I do not know if bam777 will cooperate.. He normally supports cheats.. he supported a Turkish cheat elturco who sent  me only a post card and no coins in return for many unc coins I sent him and also supports p.nightingale who is a big cheat  and liar and scares people who complain about him( see his feedback) .."

Having disgraced himself to the point of being permanently banned from the forum he merely switches his operations to the internal messaging system. For the record, none of this nasty little man's claims are in any way valid. I'm neither a cheat or a liar and have never used the feedback system to scare anyone. I'm tired of being lied about by this lunatic and I'm at a loss as to why you permit this to continue.

Please refer to the Numista Terms of Service, Item #6.

"6.Your public and private messages sent via Numista must not contain insults or threats and must not contain mocking, disrespectful, slanderous, offensive or obscene comments"

https://en.numista.com/conditions.php

This campaign has gone unchecked now for almost a year. These are not my rules being flouted, they are yours. If you don't intend to enforce them then say so. then members can make their own decisions about continuing to use a site where this egregious conduct is condoned.

Item #13:

"13.Your messages sent via the private messaging system of the site may be read by Numista."

There really is no reasonable excuse to allow this to continue is there?

Verweis : nalaberong

Verweis Everyone knows where the fake accounts are being created and where a disproportionate number of thieves operate from. It's the big white elephant in the room which everyone has to pretend isn't there.

...Thailand?!

My friends never believe me when I say "there are arguments on my coin websites"! "What can you argue about?!" Well... I guess I am new to all this, but one day I look forward to being just as angry as the next person on Numista.

   LMAO!  I like it!  I realize nobody likes getting ripped off, but use some common sene. The risks inherent in these trades is there for trades anywhere-not just on Numista. All the name calling and anger is JUST PLAIN STUPID. If you don't want to take the chances inherent with the trades - don't trade. If you don't like the website - find another. Some of us are just plain tired of the stupidity.  Please keep your anger and paranoia to yourselves.

"If you don't want to take the chances inherent with the trades - don't trade. If you don't like the website - find another."

Hi Charlie, you have my vote! I am so tired of people moaning about a website that they can use FOR FREE.

Verweis : SpookieHi Charlie, you have my vote! I am so tired of people moaning about a website that they can use FOR FREE.

Well, I am known here as a person of utmost loyalty, humbleness and humility to this site , and I did not say a word for a half year in this thread, but this was the last drop in the glass:

What the heck does the safety of a site (which is way below zero for Numista in any IT sense) to do with the FREEness?
Do you pay for the safest sites on earth? i.e, facebook, LinkedIn, Google, googlemaps, google.translate, even youtube, etc? ...  do you? ... welcome to the 21st century!

Heck, somebody (you-know-who) started this business. And do not be childish: IT IS A BUSINESS (even if it is run extraordinarily incompetently)... and now -thanks to its members - this business has grown way over the shoulders of you-know-who, who have no clue what to do with it and how to make it safe.
Even worse, he is stubborn enough not to involve any security and other competence to the business. So: play as long as you can...
I fully emphatise with Phil and the others: SHAME on the indecisive, incompetent management system of this site! (Ben, Walder, it is not personal against you, but the way the system is set up!)

If it is so bad, why are you still here? (Nothing personal, just curious)

indeed we have some problems here, they need to be fixed.  Although in my opinion we can hardly act right. We will always have the scam problem, but colnect and facebook have the same problems.  

Verweis : SpookieIf it is so bad, why are you still here? (Nothing personal, just curious)

Various reasons, Spooky:
1) It is the best online catalog, and I continue to support it despite serious disagreements with Xavier.
2) I have invested a lot of energy into it (added 600+ Hungarian coins), which I will not like to lose till the site finally passes away.
3) I have built great relationship with some 60+ people, I swap with ... within Numista and outside.
4) Best side to get rid of my doubles of my travels and change them to missing similar cheap coins.
Most importantly:
5) I believe that this site has GREAT potential, and hope for the best that some day Xavier will also recognise this and work on it!

Response to answer 5. It has but we need a bigger group of lads who are in charge. If Xavier is gone for the week, nothing happens, that has to change.

Verweis : Hippaforalkusit has but we need a bigger group of lads who are in charge. If Xavier is gone for the week, nothing happens, that has to change.

You see, in principle it is so damn easy. It is just trust and empowerment which He is afraid to give to anyone, including his "long-trusted" teammembers. or non-trusted rather

Verweis : imreh

Verweis : Hippaforalkusit has but we need a bigger group of lads who are in charge. If Xavier is gone for the week, nothing happens, that has to change.

You see, in principle it is so damn easy. It is just trust and empowerment which He is afraid to give to anyone, including his "long-trusted" teammembers.

indeed, well time for a revolution ahah.

If there would be some young ambitious leader and dedicted guys: YES, indeed... but:

Verweis : Jethro TullI am too old to rock-and-roll, and I am too young to die...

or a 43 minutes epic, if the match is boring: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0guWypvRQU

Verweis : imrehIf there would be some young ambitious leader and dedicted guys: YES, indeed... but:

Verweis : Jethro TullI am too old to rock-and-roll, and I am too young to die...

or a 43 minutes epic, if the match is boring: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0guWypvRQU

United won, but I can be a dictator here.

Verweis : HippaforalkusUnited won, but I can be a dictator here.

 Be, please!
Currently contemplating this from Baku, Azerbaijan, is it good news or bad news?

Verweis : imreh

Verweis : HippaforalkusUnited won, but I can be a dictator here.

 Be, please!
Currently contemplating this from Baku, Azerbaijan, is it good news or bad news?

last I heard Azbakia took the world according to Kuna

 oh ignorant Brits ... Abkhazia is two doors away - shall be in Georgia proper. I am in Azerbaijan, a totally different notion. These guys here just breathe gas and oil and drink vodka.

Verweis : imreh  oh ignorant Brits ... Abkhazia is two doors away - shall be in Georgia proper. I am in Azerbaijan, a totally different notion. These guys here just breathe gas and oil and drink vodka.

the word gas, hahaha. last weekend they had a remembrance day for the dutch victims of wars. including all those killed by gas.

Oh God, that is not what I meant.

The thing is, in Baku if the wind blows from the Caspian Sea, you actually can smell the natural gas leaking from below the seafloor and natural oil literally comes up to the surface in most unexpected places by itself.

Anyways, I guess we have robbed the thread slightly, there should be a Censor here to guide us back:

This is about the security of the site and we shall take that seriously!

Verweis : imrehOh God, that is not what I meant.

The thing is, in Baku if the wind blows from the Caspian Sea, you actually can smell the natural gas leaking from below the seafloor and natural oil literally comes up to the surface in most unexpected places by itself.

Anyways, I guess we have robbed the thread slightly, there should be a Censor here to guide us back:

This is about the security of the site and we shall take that seriously!

haah I know you didn't meant that. but indeed back to the topic

Right here is my way back to the topic:

Easy ways to increase safety:

Numista members verify coins routinly, but we don't verify people, which shall be done. Here is my suggestion, a lot items from security of airbnb.com, which is a kind of flat-swap website.

Numista members shall be rated according to the level of their verification and that shall be indicated next to their username, like the verification icons next to de coins.
1) you sign in to Numista, give your e-mail adress, confirm via mail that it is you: 10% (I forget how it is, but I guuess this is the current level)
2) you link your profile to your facebook account: +10%, you are now 20% verified
3) someone from the team (who admins the Numista facebook group [hint]) checks your validity, i.e. estimates "the realness of you": +20%, you are on 40%
4) you link your Numista profile to your LinkedIn profile, connect to the Numista LinkedIn teammember and he double checks your reality, bingo you are on 60%
5) after 20 problemfree swaps you gradually add 40% more and reach 100%

Not complicated to do technically.
Benefits:
a) as a member you do your own decision: "Do I want to be a super-confidential secret member and stay on 10% verification level (like now), or to what extent do you sacrifice confidentiality for having the reputation of a super-safe swappartner?" - Because that is the key issue: you cannot be super-confidential AND supersafe at the same time.
b) As a swappartner, you could decide - for example: I don't want to swap with less then 50% verified members, or you take the risk (which you do today), that you have no clue who you swap with.

note: linking your profile to facebook and more importantly LinkedIn does not mean that everybody sees who you are (unless you choose so, like Kenny currently does) it means that the dedicated teammember, I guess Ben, can "verify" you, and then when you make a swap you share it with the swappartner. Before you start be scared, let me state, that sharing your address is 12times riskier than sharing your socialmedia profile! So why not?

and one more important system element: Numista membership shall be renewed at least yearly, so non-renewed members can go into an "inactive category" (they don't need to be deleted, maybe they change their mind 12 years and come back to collecting)

Ooops I forgot the most important benefit for Xavier!

Xavier, you do not need to reinvent security systems, let the giants (facebook and LinkedIn more importantly) do it for you free of charge and with way higher efficiency than Numista is realistically able - That is what a lot minor sites - like Numista - do.

Verweis : imreh1) It is the best online catalog, and I continue to support it despite serious disagreements with Xavier.
2) I have invested a lot of energy into it (added 600+ Hungarian coins), which I will not like to lose till the site finally passes away.
3) I have built great relationship with some 60+ people, I swap with ... within Numista and outside.
4) Best side to get rid of my doubles of my travels and change them to missing similar cheap coins.
Most importantly:
5) I believe that this site has GREAT potential, and hope for the best that some day Xavier will also recognise this and work on it!

I fully agree with you on all points.  

One problem imreh
, some people don't have Facebook (n)or linkedin.

Verweis : HippaforalkusOne problem imreh
, some people don't have Facebook (n)or linkedin.

then they stay as they are now, I don't see that as a problem. It is not a "punishment" to stay on "10% verification".... and I for one would swap with them if they look okay. But for less risk takers getting "verified partners" might be more relaxing.

That's right, I'm not going to open a Facebook or Linkedin account just to increase my percentage of "realness". My swap feedback shows that I'm a real person, as well as my face on my avatar  

Verweis : sccedaThat's right, I'm not going to open a Facebook or Linkedin account just to increase my percentage of "realness". My swap feedback shows that I'm a real person, as well as my face on my avatar  

Indeed, Imreh you have many good ideas, but using facebook and linkedin will only cost members. Facebook is a big advertising site and collaborates with the big privacy scams. I think we should keep it as it is, but the site needs to know all address of people, so we can always check if people open four accounts on the same address.

Scceda, you are very real!  

Is that all to the subject? - Why the heck did I write an essay?

Verweis : HippaforalkusOne problem imreh
, some people don't have Facebook (n)or linkedin.

Indeed, I do not use either. And I strongly advise 'family and friends' to avoid both also.

Matt

Verweis : Matt_ProbertIndeed, I do not use either. And I strongly advise 'family and friends' to avoid both also.
Matt

Hmm, avoiding LinkedIn in the 21st century, I don't consider very wise, unless you're a secret agent.

Verweis : imreh

Verweis : Matt_ProbertIndeed, I do not use either. And I strongly advise 'family and friends' to avoid both also.
Matt

Hmm, avoiding LinkedIn in the 21st century, I don't consider very wise, unless you're a secret agent.

I must admitt I have got about as far as opening an acount on linkedin but gone no further. What are the benifits of the site? is it really worth the hastle?

Well, I am not a LinkedIn agent, but if you are in business, it is great to identify business partners, customers, potential employers or employees, plus a very credible source of knowledge in your expertise area.
It has great coin trader groups as well, Walder - with over 3000 real experts in numismatics and coin traders, who share ideas and more... maybe that is the motivational part for you.
As related to nummis, I advice this group: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/Coin-Collecting-2101623?gid=2101623&mostPopular=&trk=tyah&trkInfo=tarId%3A1400244813390%2Ctas%3Acoin%20collecting%2Cidx%3A1-1-1

But, honestly, I am using LinkedIn mostly for business development.
Cheers,
Imre

The other good thing, Walder, is that if you know how to search you can find anyone on LinkedIn from Barack Obama to Yourself.  
- I have just sent You an invitation on LinkedIn, so you can experience a bit more visibility on that site, as really with O connections it is useless.

 I just want to say to everyone, - Honesty  for me is prior  thing.  Again about  " Pegassus", - Jacub Donoval.  I sent him  247 gramms coins  ( about 65 coins) for free.  I dont need even penny for them. And I dont need even postage  price from him.  I just  want  to say  him:  Jucub, you are too young to judge someone in few-dollar case.  I just want to show you, that for me  its NOTHING. even if you will nto open it and  drop it to the bin,  I will not cry.  I did what I wanted to do.  YOu  received it.  Thats all.

Dato / David, that was very nicely handled. I would hope that your partner in this aborted exchange will have enough grace to be embarrassed and to remove the unjustified feedback.

I checked out your Facebook page (even clicked the "like" button) and the prices there seem very reasonable. I reckon you can't please everybody.

Welcome to Numista and please accept my best wishes for less toxic encounters in the future.

Phil Nightingale

Thank you.    Glad to be your  friend on F/b  , and here too.
best regards to all and have  a nice weekend !
 

you see, guys... connecting/verifying on facebook already increases credibility  

Verweis : imrehyou see, guys... connecting/verifying on facebook already increases credibility  

everyone can make a fake account on facebook.

Verweis : Hippaforalkus

Verweis : imrehyou see, guys... connecting/verifying on facebook already increases credibility  

everyone can make a fake account on facebook.

... and collect 265 fake friends? Come on!! - that needs a major conspiracy set-up!

Verweis : imreh

Verweis : Hippaforalkus

Verweis : imrehyou see, guys... connecting/verifying on facebook already increases credibility  

everyone can make a fake account on facebook.

... and collect 265 fake friends? Come on!! - that needs a major conspiracy set-up!

Everything is possible my friend, experience... Catfish?!!!

Verweis : Hippaforalkus

Verweis : imreh

Verweis : Hippaforalkus

Verweis : imrehyou see, guys... connecting/verifying on facebook already increases credibility  

everyone can make a fake account on facebook.

... and collect 265 fake friends? Come on!! - that needs a major conspiracy set-up!

Everything is possible my friend, experience... Catfish?!!!

Dont agree. Look at my   FB  profile,  number of friends, my albums, and then decide, - for which coin I must to hunt to  built so strong fake  acaunt :)))))  

https://www.facebook.com/dato.mikeladze.1

I'm not saying you are one, they are out there.

Verweis : HippaforalkusI'm not saying you are one, they are out there.

I mean  just if   the person have a  reach FB history , thousands of   life-photos, and, and a big numbers of friends ( among them  couls be your mutual friends too) , and  a strong numismatic history , I think it could be  rate as "+" factor. Nothing more.  

Verweis : Dato Mikeladze

Verweis : HippaforalkusI'm not saying you are one, they are out there.

I mean  just if   the person have a  reach FB history , thousands of   life-photos, and, and a big numbers of friends ( among them  couls be your mutual friends too) , and  a strong numismatic history , I think it could be  rate as "+" factor. Nothing more.

This is exactly, what I am saying. You cannot fake facebook history and validity, even MUCH-MUCH more true for LinkedIn, so if Numista considers serious measures, that is the way to go and I am more than ready to go for that direction.

Verweis : imreh

Verweis : Dato Mikeladze

Verweis : HippaforalkusI'm not saying you are one, they are out there.

I mean  just if   the person have a  reach FB history , thousands of   life-photos, and, and a big numbers of friends ( among them  couls be your mutual friends too) , and  a strong numismatic history , I think it could be  rate as "+" factor. Nothing more.

This is exactly, what I am saying. You cannot fake facebook history and validity, even MUCH-MUCH more true for LinkedIn, so if Numista considers serious measures, that is the way to go and I am more than ready to go for that direction.

Count me out.

Wow, the swindling problem is that serious?

This is why many members (I think) and myself prefer not to swap... Even though I want to, my parents don't allow me for security related reasons... as highlighted above.

Verweis : Dato MikeladzeThank you.    Glad to be your  friend on F/b  , and here too.
best regards to all and have  a nice weekend !

Hi Dato,

The best thing you can do, it's to start all over again, swap a lot, make new friends and never give up on this wonderful hobby.

Greetings from Holland,
Tony