Nickel vs Copper-Nickel (Iraq 4 Fils)

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Does anyone know the difference between these two coins (other than the metal, since they are so similar):

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces8600.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces12678.html
Below is what the SCWC has to say.  The Nickel coin will be magnetic the copper- nickel coin may or may not be and as they were made in 2 places the planchets could be different some may be and some may not be (magnetic).  It appears that some of the copper - nickel coins were made in Bombay and have a mint mark
Copper nickel coins are usually softer and wear more but it depends on the mix

Hope this helps


KM# 105 4 FILS
4.0000 g., Nickel, 21 mm. Obv: Head left Rev: Value within center circle flanked by dates Shape: Scalloped

Date Mintage F VF XF Unc BU
1938 1,000,000 1.00 2.00 6.00 20.00
1938 Proof
1939 1,000,000 1.25 2.50 10.00 35.00
1939 Proof

KM# 105a 4 FILS
4.0000 g., Copper-Nickel, 21 mm. Obv: Head left Rev: Value
within center circle flanked by dates Shape: Scalloped Note:
Struck at Royal and Bombay Mint.

Date Mintage F VF XF Unc BU
1938 2,750,000 0.75 1.00 2.00 15.00
1938 Proof
1938 -I 2,500,000 1.00 2.00 7.50 15.00 —

KM# 105b 4 FILS
4.0000 g., Bronze, 21 mm. Obv: Head left Rev: Value in center
circle flanked by dates Shape: Scalloped

Date Mintage F VF XF Unc BU
1938 8,000,000 0.50 1.00 2.00 15.00
1938 Proof
Yes, just apply a magnet.
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For these coins:

 

N#8600

N#12678

 

Another way to tell them apart (especially if you do not have a magnet handy) is that the copper-nickel version (N-12678) has a small dot under the bust of King Ghazi I on the obverse, while the nickel version (N-8600) does not have a dot in that location. 

 

Interestingly, the bronze version 

 

N#8601

 

also has a small dot under the bust of King Ghazi I on the obverse, but that version of this coin should have a brownish color rather than the dull silver/gray color of a copper-nickel coin, so it should be possible to tell the two versions apart by color alone (unless the coin is very dirty).

 

The Numista page for the copper-nickel version (N-12678) has the dot listed under the “Mint" section, implying it might be a mintmark for the Royal Mint/London/UK, but the dot is also present on the bronze version of this coin (and the “Mint” section for that page does not mention the dot).

 

This coin is also interesting in that it was made from three different alloys for the same date year. Typically, you might see one alloy change for a given date year for a coin, but two alloy changes in the same date year isn't very common.

To make it clear

 

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Probably should include the I type for KM# 105a?

 

It does include the km105a, but not the Indian minted coin with the mintmark “I”, km105a, and that doesn't look like being cu-ni?? I might be wrong, the Indians might have added too much Cu to the mix (https://en.ucoin.net/coin/iraq-4-fils-1938/?tid=91064)?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

You state there are three types which is true but one of the types has 2 varieties.  If someone has the KM# 105a type with the I mintmark they would be lost looking at your graphic.

 

The picture is from the Numista page ans has to be Cu-Ni as that's the only one with I mint mark.

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Something like this, then?

 

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Yes but other than color (which may not be true) I don't think you have enough to question the composition. Besides, even if, it's still Cu-Ni.

This coin is just before it gets more “brown”, maybe it's cu covered with a very thin ni layer?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Trying to find out if the 4 fils minted in India is a Ni covered Cu, I found this “crazy” article 

https://coinvarieties.com/index.php/Iraq_1938_4_fils_KM-105a

The year doesn't correspond.

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

If the Indian minted coin used this technique, it would be able to shed the nickel layer?

 

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

I think it's just lighting or environmental damage much like this one from the Royal Mint.

Also, the red line pointing to the dot is now pointing the the back of the head.

rsirian1

I think it's just lighting or environmental damage much like this one from the Royal Mint.

Also, the red line pointing to the dot is now pointing the the back of the head.

Not the coin minted in India (no dot, but “I” as a mint mark under the point of the bust.

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

There's not much difference in the color of these two coins.

 

 

I'd conclude the Royal Mint (dot) coin is the same composition as the India Mint (I) coin.

Look at this from ucoin https://en.ucoin.net/coin/iraq-4-fils-1938/?tid=91064

The brown color has nearly disappeared, so what is the brown color? The original copper color coming through a very thin layer of nickel? Or What?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

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