I'll answer for you, yes it is a little over 4,000 made and all are proofs. Doesn't look like it does it, Goes to show some coins that you may not think are actually proofs.
How could I Identify a proof coin from a non proof if this coin looks like a non proof, but was only issued as a proof??
Verweis : Richard 2No, I think your just confusing XF or UNC coins with proofs. Proofs aren't that common in my limited experience.
Richard
The Liberia Coin was only issued as a proof.
It doesn't look like a proof, so how can I tell a proof from a non proof?
In person my GBR coin is phenomenally well detailed, and very clean and shiny, as most proofs would be.
I live in USA so anything outside of USA would not be circulation to me, but a result of buying lots from others. I have gotten probably 20-50 proofs total without specific meaning to do so. I have another same year GBR penny and it looks way different, so how do I tell which is which? compared to the Liberian coin?
I think it is safe to say, proof coins go un noticed 90% of the time, and some REAL value gets mistaken by accident. Example I had my Netherlands 1 Gulden looked at by 4 coin shops, and 3 of the 4 said it is proof, and offered me over $100.00 USD for it, yet everyone on here said no it is not.
This happened today, so how can I tell a proof from a non proof if it has wear, and age gunk?
I'm afraid I can't help you there as I don't collect or know much about proofs, but I would have thought a proof coin found in circulation, ie. having some knocks and wear would be just that, a circulated coin. And as such wouldn't command a higher price like a uncirculated proof would,especially here in the UK.
What do other more knowledgable members think?
To me both dont look like proofs, in 1975 there are 5,000,000 non proofs Liberia one cents minted
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A proof coin is one made with special dies and has a distinctive finish. HOWEVER if someone has taken that proof and put it into circulation and it wears until it's VF, XF, AU then you can't really call it a proof anymore can you? It would grade at whatever amount of wear it is showing.
Look at it this way. If you were going to buy a proof coin, would you pay full catalogue value for a pristine proof coin, or would you pay full catalogue value for a coin that may one have been a proof but has been through circulation?
My advice is not to worry about whether a coin is/has been a proof unless you're actually collecting proofs and are buying the graded coins.
And Apuking is correct. There are 2 entries for the 1975 Liberia 1 cent coins: general circulation 5,000,000 and proof 4,000
I will try to post a pic tommorow of a late 1700's coin which has a bit of wear. A proof with a bit of wear is called an "impaired proof"
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Be that as it may, I still think my advise is sound. Unless you are specifically collecting proofs, if you find a coin that looks circulated, don't concern yourself too much with finding out if it was a proof or not because you're not likely to be able to sell it as a proof, and labelling it as a proof if you're keeping it will be for your benefit only.
What about pre 1900 Proofs which do not have mint packages?
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Apuking iam justy gaving my thoughts. And iam mainly in the new stuff,Why i dont know but thats what i like. But on the older poof coins not packaged they are still poof. But be very careful, i have seen were someone took a micro sandblaster fill with bakeing soda and frost heads. Look very carefuly.
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I think iam in the newwer coins Because there are so many fakes and it only going to get to a point were half the coins will be faked. Just look at the UK pound coins. The older stuff they can get more money so it's comeing.
A proof coin still remains a proof regardless if it's been circulated, packaged or any other form as it is the manufacturing process that makes it a proof. Although it will loose value if been in circulation.
Both coins you have asked about are definitely circulation coins. Here's a couple of pictures of a proof coin and a Brilliant Uncirculated coin so you can see the difference. 1st coin is the proof and 2nd coin is the BU
pre 1900 coins are a different story because as you say, they have no mint packaging and (correct me if I'm wrong) they had a different way of minting them and they don't always have the frosted finish. But the ones Barnabus has been asking about are all modern ones.
All I was saying is that you have to ask yourself why you want to find out if it is a proof or not. If you want to keep the coin, then labelling it as a proof or not is purely for your own benefit. If you're wanting to sell it and you want to list it as a proof then there's not much point, because pretty much all serious collectors of proofs would not pay for a proof that has been through circulation, unless it's a really rare and valuable proof.
Yes Tony is right.Iam wrong. A poof coin now has a different manufacturing process.Like this one i have
It has been circulated.I never thought about before I can not call it XF Because its a poof. It would have to be call a poof circulated then a grade. Iam not to much in to poofs they are very nice looking. I never thought to much about it but there is a big differece in poof and mint sets. Thank you Tony for thumping my head and making me think. You are a very wise man.
yours daryl
I have a proof Liberian coin, I think maybe when I was looking at the 1975, I didn't see that there was non proof versions made. The 1975 idk probably is not a proof.
In RE: to a circulated coin not being proof any more, proofs have grades too, they are made different, so a variety. Just because it is worn, doesn't take away from that it is a variety. I am going to be separating all of the coins I have which I suspect are proofs, due to sharp high detail, some are real worn, but have harder looking strikes compared to others. I just got my 20x 50x glasses today, so I will take a for sure proof, and a for sure bad looking proof, comparing the metal look etc, and then compare to my suspect coins. I will throw up pics if I can get clear ones through my glasses.
You'll have to be careful though, just beause a coin has sharp details it does not mean it's a proof. Dies wear during use, so the first ones in a mint run will have crisper details, but ones from later on in the runs will not.
Okay so since I am drawn towards my Netherlands coins. I came across a weird 1966 10 cents Netherlands. I have several of the other years, but just one of this year. Now the difference is the finish, the finish is REAL grainy, but it is not post mint damage as far as I can tell. When it glares off light, it is not the normal full coin glare, but it glares in lines kinda, I added a paint pic to illustrate this. I got as close of a pic as I could, because my loop glasses are to hard to get a camera shot with.
It for 100% sure is not like any of the other Netherlands coins I own at all. I wouldn't even suspect it to be proof, but this finish is definitely unique I think. Does anyone know details on what makes a coin a matte finish?
In addition to paint pic, the coin has glare on it in the picture I took, those lines are the only glare gotten and change per angle.
Iam sorry to everyone, some how in my head. I thought poof and mint state were the same. And they are very different. Iam starting to feel better. and have over did it the last few days. Today iam just playing with my coin and sleep. Then back to work.
I'll answer for you, yes it is a little over 4,000 made and all are proofs. Doesn't look like it does it, Goes to show some coins that you may not think are actually proofs.
How could I Identify a proof coin from a non proof if this coin looks like a non proof, but was only issued as a proof??
