That whole website is really bizarre. It looks like a joke.
The computer-rendered images of the coins don't even match the physical ones we've seen here. I half wonder if it's some (for the sake of diplomacy) ambitious entrepreneurs looking to make a quick buck.
For those who are interested in what these coins say, I too came across a number of these daesh coins. I'll attach a picture. What are your current thoughts on ownership of these coins, and do you think they should hold any monetary value for a collector or seller.
Verweis : "Bizzarre"For those who are interested in what these coins say, I too came across a number of these daesh coins. I'll attach a picture. What are your current thoughts on ownership of these coins, and do you think they should hold any monetary value for a collector or seller.
Hello, welcome to the forum.
I'm sure there is someone out there who would be willing to pay for them but with items like these they can be sceptic and unsure over price.
'We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.'
Sir Winston Churchill
In one way a collector could find it cool to have these coins in their collection, since the coins are circulating and legal tender but not from a sovereign state. It bares a history (or at least will), but the problem is the history itself.
When I have, just as a challenge, asked what the difference is between these coins and Nazi Germany coins, the answer has always been that ISIS still is. Their history is too recent. I don't know though. For an American or Asian the WWII Germany can seem like ages ago, but there are still people alive today who were imprisioned in the camps and to them it feels like yesterday.
I have my coins stored in boxes decorated by the flag. The first time my now wife entered my room and saw my collection the totally froze. Afterwards she told me all about her thoughts that were flying through her head. What she had seen was my Third Reich coins. Since the is of Jewish heritage the history is like an open wound. To say "that was 70 years ago" doesn't mean much when her father's parents were shipped acrossed Europe by random kind hearted people so they would avoid the death camps. We will probably have to wait a few more generations before that will feel "far away".
And where I live now, I know that I have people in my neighbourhood that has been in Syria to fight for ISIS. There are also people here, in the same neighbourhood, who's been in Syria to fight for Peshmerga. Here in Sweden they live as next door neighbours, but the week before they were shooting at each other in a brutal war. This world is a strange place, eh?
Sorry ive been away for some time. Still here in Syria. To answer some questions. I hate what it stands for also, so I've came up with a good plan. I've sold some off the coins now to some collectors. The funds are going back to the people off Syria. This is in the form off projects such as installing water wells, supplying schools and community's, that are hard to reach.
I am personally over looking future projects, inbetween rotation from the frontline.
I think its a great way to put the middle finger up at Isis.
Verweis : "Arges8"Hi this is Arges8.
Sorry ive been away for some time. Still here in Syria. To answer some questions. I hate what it stands for also, so I've came up with a good plan. I've sold some off the coins now to some collectors. The funds are going back to the people off Syria. This is in the form off projects such as installing water wells, supplying schools and community's, that are hard to reach.
I am personally over looking future projects, inbetween rotation from the frontline.
I think its a great way to put the middle finger up at Isis.
This is a great job. thank you - from a Syrian.
As long as these coins are not purchased from the thugs themselves ie not benefiting them, then this should be fine.
I'm totally interested in getting some of these coins if you still have them. Although I'm not sure how am I going to receive them as I can imagine these would be trouble to ship.
Please msg me in private if you would like to share details
Verweis : "Arges8"Hi this is Arges8.
Sorry ive been away for some time. Still here in Syria. To answer some questions. I hate what it stands for also, so I've came up with a good plan. I've sold some off the coins now to some collectors. The funds are going back to the people off Syria. This is in the form off projects such as installing water wells, supplying schools and community's, that are hard to reach.
I am personally over looking future projects, inbetween rotation from the frontline.
I think its a great way to put the middle finger up at Isis.
This is a great job. thank you - from a Syrian.
As long as these coins are not purchased from the thugs themselves ie not benefiting them, then this should be fine.
I'm totally interested in getting some of these coins if you still have them. Although I'm not sure how am I going to receive them as I can imagine these would be trouble to ship.
Please msg me in private if you would like to share details
as a charity to the syrian people, i'm interested too
Verweis : "kaputin"I wish to buy one, but couldn't find any source where do they sell these coins...
Hello my name is Arges8 on this site. I am British and a former YPG fighter. I came across these coins in dier ezzor Syria. The post you see on this site regarding the coins are my coins.
Isis are almost over now. I am selling the coins to fund a chrity project for the Yarzidis in Shengal. These coins will not be found. I and just a few other people actually have possession off these coins. As Kurds and Arabs just smelt them down or throw them away. If you type in Daniel Burke Syria on Google there should be a page on there explain what I'm doing
Verweis : "Arges8"Hi this is Arges8.
Sorry ive been away for some time. Still here in Syria. To answer some questions. I hate what it stands for also, so I've came up with a good plan. I've sold some off the coins now to some collectors. The funds are going back to the people off Syria. This is in the form off projects such as installing water wells, supplying schools and community's, that are hard to reach.
I am personally over looking future projects, inbetween rotation from the frontline.
I think its a great way to put the middle finger up at Isis.
This is a great job. thank you - from a Syrian.
As long as these coins are not purchased from the thugs themselves ie not benefiting them, then this should be fine.
I'm totally interested in getting some of these coins if you still have them. Although I'm not sure how am I going to receive them as I can imagine these would be trouble to ship.
Please msg me in private if you would like to share details
as a charity to the syrian people, i'm interested too
ok I'm in Spain now. Just so you know what I'm doing. My name is Daniel Burke I'm from Manchester. There been an artical from I❤MCR explain the charity work in doing. You can also log on to OH Water Aid on FB. This is where your donations will go
Please do not get caught, every sale coin of ISIS is a fraud. It's not a coin- they are tokens. I do not want to offend mickey mouse, but these coin are just the same for a higher price.
Everyone who offers is a cheater-you will know it according to the fairy tale that they think of how they got the tokens.
One was there and got it from the warrior, the other had it from the doctor who saved his life, and here is an example of a sale he has received from a traveler.
There will always be a fairy tale, and a high price. He earns the stupidity of people.
990 Kč - 45 USD
Verweis : "MIMAEL"Hello to all colleagues.
Please do not get caught, every sale coin of ISIS is a fraud. It's not a coin- they are tokens. I do not want to offend mickey mouse, but these coin are just the same for a higher price.
Everyone who offers is a cheater-you will know it according to the fairy tale that they think of how they got the tokens.
One was there and got it from the warrior, the other had it from the doctor who saved his life, and here is an example of a sale he has received from a traveler.
There will always be a fairy tale, and a high price. He earns the stupidity of people.
990 Kč - 45 USD
https://aukro.cz/mince-islamsky-stat-dinar-islamskeho-statu-rarita-6930867733
Ahoj Ivan
this is what i'm afraid of..these coins are not exactly lying around in the streets of syria..
Hey all! I recently got back from a deployment to Syria and I came across a few of the one and two dirham coins. I brought a few back to the states for friends and family mostly and I'd like to get a little more information on these. Has anyone had these tested for purity? I was told they're silver but I'd like to have them tested. Is there any collectibility in them? Also, the gentleman who mentioned aquiring these funded Isis didn't consider servicemembers bringing them back from over there.
Verweis : "BCNumismatics"Those are NOT coins, as I.S.I.L. was never a legitimate entity.
I.S.I.L. are terrorists who are NOT even remotely Islamic at all!
Aidan.
I dunno, if someone (anyone, literally anyone) were to make a little round thing (or in any shape for that matter) out of metal (or even plastic in some cases) and say "here's a coin I made" I would call it a coin.
Sealand isn't a legitimate entity and yet they had coins minted for them.
Verweis : "BCNumismatics"I.S.I.L. = Un-Islamic & NOT a state!
They are still terrorist scumbags who are hated by true Muslims!
Terrorist outfits can't issue coins anyway!
Aidan.
The Taiping rebellion cash are still classified as coins.
Like it or not, Daesh was a governing entity that issued (forced) the currency on its populace.
Verweis : "BCNumismatics"I.S.I.L. = Un-Islamic & NOT a state!
They are still terrorist scumbags who are hated by true Muslims!
Terrorist outfits can't issue coins anyway!
Aidan.
Like it or not, Daesh was a governing entity that issued (forced) the currency on its populace.
Verweis : "BCNumismatics"I.S.I.L. = Un-Islamic & NOT a state!
They are still terrorist scumbags who are hated by true Muslims!
Terrorist outfits can't issue coins anyway!
Aidan.
Like it or not, Daesh was a governing entity that issued (forced) the currency on its populace.
So this is a fact announcement on April 1st, really laughing and I still miss the fact that the population of that state carried the coins in their wallets, and paid in bars for wiskey and burgers mainly with gold and silver. Yes, the population was excited about the new currency.
This fairy tale is really worthy of April 1st.
Ivan
I'm trying to understand what point you were trying to make with this ultimately useless non-sequitur.
Yes, the population did carry the coins in their pockets, as per research papers on the matter: https://english.religion.info/2018/12/23/the-return-of-the-gold-dinar-an-analysis-of-the-islamic-state-coin-production/
They had to own the currency to pay for utilities like petrol by the governing power of Daesh while occupied.
Your witty comment comes off as not only confrontational, but just stupid in its reductive nature.
If we are going to be basing Numista's categorization for coin and exonuimia based on what the population enjoyed using, I suggest removing all military occupation coins such as Ghetto coins from the coin catalogs.
Verweis BCNumismatikaISIL = neislámský a NENÍ stát!
Pořád
jsou to teroristickí šmejdi, které praví muslimové nenávidí!
Teroristé
stejně nemohou vydávat mince
! Aidan
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To ať se vám to líbí
Takže toto je faktické oznámení z 1. dubna, opravdu k smíchu a stále mi chybí skutečnost, že obyvatelé tohoto státu nosili mince v peněženkách a platili v barech za wisky a hamburgery hlavně zlatem a stříbrem. Ano, obyvatelstvo bylo z nové měny nadšené.
Tato pohádka je opravdu hodná 1. dubna. Ivan
Snažím se porozumět tomu, co jste se snažil udělat s tímto nakonec zbytečným non-sequitur.
Ano, obyvatelstvo nosilo mince ve svých kapsách, jak vyplývá z výzkumných prací na toto téma:
https://english.religion.info/2018/12/23/the-return-of-the-gold-dinar- an-analysis-of-the-islám-state-coin-production/
Museli vlastnit měnu, aby mohli platit za služby, jako je benzin, vládnoucí mocí Daesh, když byli okupováni.
Tvůj vtipný komentář nevypadá jen jako konfrontační, ale ve své reduktivní povaze prostě hloupý.
Pokud budeme zakládat Numistovu kategorizaci pro mince a exonuimii na základě toho, co obyvatelstvo s oblibou používalo, navrhuji odstranit z katalogů mincí všechny vojenské okupační mince, jako jsou mince ghetta.
Verweis : "BCNumismatics"I.S.I.L. = Un-Islamic & NOT a state!
They are still terrorist scumbags who are hated by true Muslims!
Terrorist outfits can't issue coins anyway!
Aidan.
Like it or not, Daesh was a governing entity that issued (forced) the currency on its populace.
So this is a fact announcement on April 1st, really laughing and I still miss the fact that the population of that state carried the coins in their wallets, and paid in bars for wiskey and burgers mainly with gold and silver. Yes, the population was excited about the new currency.
This fairy tale is really worthy of April 1st.
Ivan
I'm trying to understand what point you were trying to make with this ultimately useless non-sequitur.
Yes, the population did carry the coins in their pockets, as per research papers on the matter:
https://english.religion.info/2018/12/23/the-return-of-the-gold-dinar-an-analysis-of-the-islamic-state-coin-production/
They had to own the currency to pay for utilities like petrol by the governing power of Daesh while occupied.
Your witty comment comes off as not only confrontational, but just stupid in its reductive nature.
If we are going to be basing Numista's categorization for coin and exonuimia based on what the population enjoyed using, I suggest removing all military occupation coins such as Ghetto coins from the coin catalogs.
Yes,, brassow,, it was intentional on my part derogatory contribution. All this research is a mixture of false gossip and unsubstantiated facts.
That ISIS management for stolen money from banks and selling oil to other thieves he had stamped coins and set out a pile of coins as part of his information delusion to the world. That's what I believe. But they never got into circulation-they were part of the propaganda and the most faithful gift in the hierarchy.
That the stamp and a fake workshop where they minted in Turkey -it was a small workshop more like a garage Thus Tuceký police officers confiscated the equipment that was used to produce and sell the fraudulent exonumia that it had fool around and offer expensive money through coin sales sites. High price and everything a scam.
This is my opinion and the testimony of my fellow war veterans. These are tokens and not tourist but used for propaganda and crazy ideology.
Crazy and dangerous atrocities from the head of one of the leading terrorists ISIS.
But yes, I agree that everyone has the right to believe in their ideology-however, where it begins with the right of another there must end.
Yes, that's true in that research- ,, According to interviews collected by Religioscope, the Islamic State had established several minting workshops. We know from the Turkish press[24],, -this is what spread those tokens to the world.
I don't like the ideology of crime through the token!
This is my opinion-I will not respond and I will delete my posts-After 23 years in Unifom (Capt. Bait-explosives-demining) and a long time in UN missions, I became a pacifist.
Ivan
"De facto, however, the currency saw limited circulation. In the areas where it saw circulation, it was forbidden to use other currencies with the exception of the dollar. Other areas saw the use of different types of currencies such as the Syrian pound and the Iraqi dinar." -the wikipedia article for the currency. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_dinar
According to the article it sounds like it was circulated and even forced upon some users. This would make it a coin much like the Jewish ghetto coinage the nazis issued.
I suppose it needs to be said, and to ask oneself such questions such as:
"Does owning X make me support X?"
No, it really doesn't. Sure if you were to look for ISIS coinage, you would have to be extremely careful who you're buying from, but what's to say that buying Nazi coins doesn't benefit white supremacists?
Does buying Nazi coins / objects make you a Nazi? No.
Does buying Nazi coins support the Nazi regime? No, but it may support those who do.
Same with every coin from every empire that killed millions.
(I'll give you a hint, it's most of them)
Verweis : "FlyingRedPanda"I suppose it needs to be said, and to ask oneself such questions such as:
"Does owning X make me support X?"
No, it really doesn't. Sure if you were to look for ISIS coinage, you would have to be extremely careful who you're buying from, but what's to say that buying Nazi coins doesn't benefit white supremacists?
Does buying Nazi coins / objects make you a Nazi? No.
Does buying Nazi coins support the Nazi regime? No, but it may support those who do.
Same with every coin from every empire that killed millions.
(I'll give you a hint, it's most of them)
Verweis : "MIMAEL"
All this research is a mixture of false gossip and unsubstantiated facts.
There are in-text citations to substantiate the claims. Did you read them?
Verweis : "MIMAEL"
These are tokens and not tourist but used for propaganda and crazy ideology.
So are we now removing coins from the catalog if they are propagandic in nature to claim legitimacy?
Say goodbye to all Chinese coins of the warlord era!
Verweis : "MIMAEL"
Crazy and dangerous atrocities from the head of one of the leading terrorists ISIS.
Nobody here is arguing in favour of Wahabbist ideology. The topic at hand is whether it should be moved from exonumia to coins.
Before deleting you also asserted that the items cannot be considered coins since nobody recognized the Islamic State.
However, that's silly as the catalog has counter-examples in a similar situation such as the previously mentioned Taiping Heavenly Kingdom and Rhodesia.
I don't see the point in responding if they're not going to even going to leave their reply up for more than a few hours so that people can actually read it.
Verweis : "FlyingRedPanda"I don't see the point in responding if they're not going to even going to leave their reply up for more than a few hours so that people can actually read it.
You know, I left it there for a few hours,, FlyingRedPanda,, -I apologize to everyone. I really do not want to get involved in some political and religious debates.
via compiler:
,, Experts at the time estimated that the coins were to serve as a means of increasing the combat morale of IS warriors.,,
,, Turkish police have seized the coin-operated stamps used by the Islamic State extremist organization, which controls large areas of Syria and Iraq, which are trying to unite into a single territorial unit. According to official sources, six people were arrested.,,
,, Stamps with currency reliefs introduced by Islamists in the conquered territories were discovered by police during a raid on a house in the city of Gaziantep on the border with Syria.,,
Verweis : "klangdon"Well put KasparsLV. Their plans to mint these coins was announced in October/November 2014 and ISIS has been buying precious metals for months. They are a wealthy organization and I wonder if they have started minting yet. I have been trying to locate these coins with no success.
They did mint the gold coins in all three denominations, enough for a propaganda film. In One of their periodicals they mentioned other coins were minted as well but in reality, as someone posted the examples are rather crude looking. As you can see in these pictures, of Gold Dinars, they seem to be a fair few of them. In the propaganda feature they also show the minting or pressing process at a undisclosed location, however its most likely at least at the time of the video ( posted in 2014) it was the capitol of Raqqa. In the film they explain the meaning of the symbols on their coins.
as for collecting them i dont see an issue with them, as they are historical artifacts just like Reichsmarks, or Roman Coins or even currencies Issued to Jewish Ghettos. However it is, at this moment, i feel still too fresh of a wound. If you ask me in 10 or 20 years i wouldnt see any issue with that. I dont believe they will ever be in the collectors market however since i assume the gold will be melted down and reused, same for silver. Maybe the copper coins will be. But we should note that these did not see a wide circulation inside the ISIS territory. Rather their courts dealt in Iraqi Dinars and Syrian Pounds as can be seen in other Propaganda films and periodicals ( eg. in one film it showed a man getting restitution in Dinars).
In July I was in Urfa in Turkey. Which is near the Syrian border. So I decided to look around for ISIS coins. Although there is a large Arab community in Urfa, very few people had heard of them. In the Syrian immigrant bazaar some gold shops knew about them, but not where to find any. Closer to the border in Harran the people I talked to hadn't ever heard of them either, even though it's only about 100km by road from Raqqa. Apparently these coins are illegal in Turkey though. At least that is what two different people told me when they called some friends to ask about them. I did have fun looking through piles of mostly old Turkish coins in the back of old shops though, and had some interesting conversations. I don't know if it was a plus or a minus that I speak some Arabic from years of teaching in the Middle East. I'm sure some thought I was a spy or trying to join ISIS…
Anyhow getting ISIS coins can be highly illegal and dangerous, even though you're not paying directly terrorists for the coins you are still gonna get in trouble. Maybe you will have some chances going in Turkey in cities/towns close to Syria? But going there as a white Christian guy can be a deadly giveaway. As no one really knows who's there and what motives they have. Taliban won't give a crap if you're a white Christian guy but ISIS will rage like an Iron Golem from Minecraft. Like these guys are 5 times worse.
In July I was in Urfa in Turkey. Which is near the Syrian border. So I decided to look around for ISIS coins. Although there is a large Arab community in Urfa, very few people had heard of them. In the Syrian immigrant bazaar some gold shops knew about them, but not where to find any. Closer to the border in Harran the people I talked to hadn't ever heard of them either, even though it's only about 100km by road from Raqqa. Apparently these coins are illegal in Turkey though. At least that is what two different people told me when they called some friends to ask about them. I did have fun looking through piles of mostly old Turkish coins in the back of old shops though, and had some interesting conversations. I don't know if it was a plus or a minus that I speak some Arabic from years of teaching in the Middle East. I'm sure some thought I was a spy or trying to join ISIS…
Hello.
Yes, I agree, that's right, ordinary people do not know that such a thing exists - because it has never been paid for, it was just part of the propaganda.
Coins made in China were also once produced and shipped to Syria with coin dies in a business deal between a crazy commando promoter and a manufacturer in China.
After filming the video and promoting the gold and silver, the command took it apart. The coins were struck in a small town in Turkey near the border -for a short time, secretly using stamps imported from Syria. In the workshop of the small house, the police received information about the illegal minting of coins. After the intervention, she secured dies, pressing machines and coins. Illegal activity for the personal enrichment of a small group of people.
They are fantasy tokens of a non-existent country, like this one: ( Sorry, this country, was here and according to the records in the chronicles there was only a "numist", don't name him) https://gorazduv-denar.webnode.cz
,, And I'm probably going to get stamps made for this coin,, IS ,, and start selling - only I don't want to be rich, it's enough for me to be happy-joy and good times and as the wife says - as soon as you are rich, divorce and harem and cars and that is the death of interest in numismatics.
In July I was in Urfa in Turkey. Which is near the Syrian border. So I decided to look around for ISIS coins. Although there is a large Arab community in Urfa, very few people had heard of them. In the Syrian immigrant bazaar some gold shops knew about them, but not where to find any. Closer to the border in Harran the people I talked to hadn't ever heard of them either, even though it's only about 100km by road from Raqqa. Apparently these coins are illegal in Turkey though. At least that is what two different people told me when they called some friends to ask about them. I did have fun looking through piles of mostly old Turkish coins in the back of old shops though, and had some interesting conversations. I don't know if it was a plus or a minus that I speak some Arabic from years of teaching in the Middle East. I'm sure some thought I was a spy or trying to join ISIS…
Hello.
Yes, I agree, that's right, ordinary people do not know that such a thing exists - because it has never been paid for, it was just part of the propaganda.
Coins made in China were also once produced and shipped to Syria with coin dies in a business deal between a crazy commando promoter and a manufacturer in China.
After filming the video and promoting the gold and silver, the command took it apart. The coins were struck in a small town in Turkey near the border -for a short time, secretly using stamps imported from Syria. In the workshop of the small house, the police received information about the illegal minting of coins. After the intervention, she secured dies, pressing machines and coins. Illegal activity for the personal enrichment of a small group of people.
They are fantasy tokens of a non-existent country, like this one: ( Sorry, this country, was here and according to the records in the chronicles there was only a "numist", don't name him) https://gorazduv-denar.webnode.cz
,, And I'm probably going to get stamps made for this coin,, IS ,, and start selling - only I don't want to be rich, it's enough for me to be happy-joy and good times and as the wife says - as soon as you are rich, divorce and harem and cars and that is the death of interest in numismatics.
Ivan
We've already determined that the coins were very real and saw limited use, akin to a Ghetto Mark.
Your claim of “The coins were struck in a small town in Turkey near the border -for a short time, secretly using stamps imported from Syria,” is only true for the first of the two minted series:
“We also have evidence indicating that a striking factory was established in 2015 in Mosul, Iraq, and later was moved or replaced, possibly in Mayadin, Syria.”
"2. There were a minimum of two phases of minting using different coin dies:
The first was implemented in a least two workshops, respectively in Mosul, Iraq, and Sahinbey, Turkey, probably between spring and autumn 2015. All available evidence suggests that the coinage produced in this first phase were identical to, or at least closely based upon, the design publicly revealed by the group in 2014. The relative rarity of these specimens points to a quantitatively modest production, possibly discontinued due to the pervasive rumours of fraud.
A second cycle of minting, as of winter 2015, produced the set of coins featured in this article. Their design was partially altered, with the likely exception of the emblematic 5 gold dinar, while retaining the same symbolic register and identical legends. They were also produced in greater quantity, with an emphasis on metallic purity, and more generously distributed geographically.
Lack of recognition does not change that the group was a very real and functioned as a state back in 2014. I don't know why you are so hell-bent on trying to pretend these did not exist or circulate when sources and documentation disagree with you. We don't have to like the issuing authority to recognize that these coins were issued and saw circulation.
If you find it in you heart and soul that you want to fund a terrorist organisation, or have no problems whatsoever to do so even as a third hand contribution, you can of course buy ISIS coins and medals.
If you don't agree, or recognise yourself, with the above statement, you don't buy ISIS coins and medals.
There's really no need for an 8 year long discussion.
Lack of recognition does not change that the group was a very real and functioned as a state back in 2014. I don't know why you are so hell-bent on trying to pretend these did not exist or circulate when sources and documentation disagree with you. We don't have to like the issuing authority to recognize that these coins were issued and saw circulation.
I personally have no interest in not supporting or, on the contrary, supporting ISIL-I don't care what anyone writes and what anyone
I don't know how many times we have to reiterate that recognizing a past reality is not endorsement. Do we have to support Hong Xiuquan to recognize that the Taipeng Heavenly Kingdom's coins were issued and used? No. I don't know why you get your pants in a twist over something so easy to understand.
*The first aspect of numismatics is the existence of the state, nation etc.- it is a legal process and requires recognition and confirmation of statehood.
In this case : not confirmed
See: Taipeng Heavenly Kingdom, Rhodesia, and various Chinese Warlord-era coins. Your claim does not hold up to scrutiny that recognition of a governing entity is what numista classifies as a requirement for coin categorization.
*The second numismatic aspect is the definition of circulating coins
The fact that you dump a bag of copper coins somewhere (the gold and silver were taken apart by the terrorist leaders)- does not mean that these coins were accepted in business (gas stations, food, drugstores, simply payment in stores)
I already gave you an academic article, but let me reiterate with an explicit quote because you are clearly too lazy to read it:
“In Deir Ezzor for instance, it seems that dirham and fulûs were put into circulation (date unknown) and used as payment for taxes, fees or purchase of petrol. The new currency was gradually introduced via change offices, where the inhabitants were supposed to trade their impious money for Sharia-compatible coins if they were to be able to pay their bills or legally sell their goods.”
They were not “dumped somewhere.” Their use was mandated in some areas. They circulated & were accepted, albeit under use of force (like a Ghetto Mark… which are in the coin category!)
I issued a coin of the existing state entity "Great Moravia", which occupied the territory from the "Baltic to the Adriatic", the whole of Central Europe
In its time it was a respected country in Europe and it was decided to destroy them by their Western neighbors.
I issued an exonumia in memory of this country-state entity.
The,, Numista,, website does not accept this country, the coin is classified as an unknown country. My coin in the former territory of "Great Moravia" is now circulating - a neighbor paid for 1/2 liter of homemade plum wine, "locally distilled 52-degree alcohol"
175 CZK - 7,96$ during the course $1 equals 21.98 Czech crown
Proof of circulation is the fact that the sender discovered this coin in Israel .. Dejan,,
You already know that this is a garbage analogy. But I guess I will have to explain why, lest you continue rambling with your non-sequitor:
-The governing authority you claim it to represent had been gone for over a millennium before you struck the tokens. You are not a governing entity any more than Kevin Baugh.
-Being discarded in a far-off location does not constitute circulation.
-You didn't intend for them to be a circulating currency. It is, by your own admission, an,
imitation of a non-existent coin
It's just a made up token. But I think you already knew this and only brought it up in bad faith.
Can you concisely explain what criteria makes ISIS's minted coins different in nature and practice compared to the Taipeng Heavenly Kingdom, Rhodesia, and the Chinese Warlords? Don't make any red herring paragraphs, be concise and explain why they differ.
ngdawa
Is this discussion still ongoing?
To me it's very simple:
If you find it in you heart and soul that you want to fund a terrorist organisation, or have no problems whatsoever to do so even as a third hand contribution, you can of course buy ISIS coins and medals.
If you don't agree, or recognise yourself, with the above statement, you don't buy ISIS coins and medals.
There's really no need for an 8 year long discussion.
As FlyingRedPanda mentioned, ISIS no longer exists as a functioning state or organization in any real capacity. Just about every one floating around in the western world was taken from the corpses of ISIS as war trophies by YPG and NATO combatants. The splinter groups remaining in Afghanistan and Africa do not have connection to the mintage of the coins. Nobody is obtaining these items from ISIS militants any more than getting reichsmarks is funding the NSDAP. The scope of discussion at hand has become whether they constitute coins or are exonumia.
Besides that, 8 years seems miniscule when discussing a hobby as old as numismatics, don't you think?
May I ask why we are able to discuss and express some fairly direct political views, or pass comment on the rights and wrongs of buying coins issued by ISIS, but are not allowed to say that the war in the Ukraine is disgusting? Just had a post deleted for exactly that reason when I mentioned that I would not be trading at all with anyone in Russia at the moment because of the EU/GB sanctions.
May I ask why we are able to discuss and express some fairly direct political views, or pass comment on the rights and wrongs of buying coins issued by ISIS, but are not allowed to say that the war in the Ukraine is disgusting? Just had a post deleted for exactly that reason when I mentioned that I would not be trading at all with anyone in Russia at the moment because of the EU/GB sanctions.
May I ask why we are able to discuss and express some fairly direct political views, or pass comment on the rights and wrongs of buying coins issued by ISIS, but are not allowed to say that the war in the Ukraine is disgusting? Just had a post deleted for exactly that reason when I mentioned that I would not be trading at all with anyone in Russia at the moment because of the EU/GB sanctions.
Put it on your profile then, no need to make a forum thread about it.
Bro what if I would go to Turkish towns near the Syrian border with a tour guide and go around to search them, It would be the only way to get them because I don't want to pay 760 Dollars for a small steel plate.
Bro what if I would go to Turkish towns near the Syrian border with a tour guide and go around to search them, It would be the only way to get them because I don't want to pay 760 Dollars for a small steel plate.
1. As per the sources I have already cited, they are copper and silver (gold specimens are exceedingly rare), not steel.
2. Welcome to the world of numismatics, big guy. Rare and/or desirable coins are expensive. 😆
Bro what if I would go to Turkish towns near the Syrian border with a tour guide and go around to search them, It would be the only way to get them because I don't want to pay 760 Dollars for a small steel plate.
1. As per the sources I have already cited, they are copper and silver (gold specimens are exceedingly rare), not steel.
2. Welcome to the world of numismatics, big guy. Rare and/or desirable coins are expensive. 😆
Aw f*** cheers I guess well…. I clearly KNOW what I'm getting into like searching and obtaining coins from other parts of the world isn't eazy at all but getting rare as hell coins from online auctions is like having the chance of being hit by a meteor so my highest chance of getting these coins in particular is to go physically in Turkey near Syria, I can just go by car as it would be eazier to carry these things if I even hopefully could find them and no one would question anything. You just need some knowledge, charisma and some stroke of luck.
He fought along side the Kurds against ISIS in Syria. For this he would be arrested and spend 8 months in jail on terrorism charges. He travelled to Ukraine in 2022 to help in the fight against Russia, doing front-line rescue and evacuations. He was killed around the 16th of August 2023, away from the front-line, by a fellow volunteer who has since gone on the run.
He fought along side the Kurds against ISIS in Syria. For this he would be arrested and spend 8 months in jail on terrorism charges. He travelled to Ukraine in 2022 to help in the fight against Russia, doing front-line rescue and evacuations. He was killed around the 16th of August 2023, away from the front-line, by a fellow volunteer who has since gone on the run.
Brave as f**k, such a god damn shame.
I really didn't expect this post would turn out this way.
Ten years later, our debate is still not over. This is an unresolvable paradox in itself.
I prefer to think of it as a kind of “Conflicto-Political coinage”. Technically, they are considered coins, but legally they are not considered currency. Perhaps only those coins collected from the front lines that are actually circulated can be counted as currency. There are many examples in history of forcing occupied areas to accept this kind of currency, and they were eventually classified as a kind of currency.
The value of this debate is far greater than the coins themselves.
