Important Administration Announcement

We have agreed on policy change, regarding ND coins.

From now on, commemoratives with date ranges (for example 1985 - 2015) will not be considered ND coins.

This coin, for example, should be changed to 2015.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces77180.html

This concerns all coins that have the date on them with several exceptions.

ND stays if the coin was issued before or after event it commemorates, (Coin commemorating 2016 Olympic games issued in 2015 or 2017 for example) and the coin has no additional date on it.

And of course, ND stays on really not dated coins like this: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces90299.html

PS: We are also on track on reforming country list... but I never told you.

I think this should be moved to the catalog forum

That one is for requests.

Thanks!

Good news. Thank you!

Moved here by bam777.

Verweis : "Jarcek"​​PS: We are also on track on reforming country list... but I never told you.

​For such a touchy subject ...



linked to previous controversies ...



I hope there will be few preliminary and preventive discussions

It is in pretty preparatory phase. Which may not constitute the final product.

How about normal (not commemorative) coins and are dated, but were issued later on?

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/arabie_sud-1.html

all four South Arabia coins are dated 1964 but were issued in 1965 - according to wikipedia:
"In 1965, coins (dated 1964) were introduced for South Arabia in denominations of 1, 5, 25 and 50 fils"

also the currency itself "south arabia riyal" started in 1965.

What do we do in such cases?

Date on the coin matters. There are cases where you can see in comments: "issued in xxxx"
Some North Korean coins have dates 2002 while they were issued only in 2009. Same goes for Belarus I believe.

Verweis : "Jarcek"​Date on the coin matters. There are cases where you can see in comments: "issued in xxxx"
​Some North Korean coins have dates 2002 while they were issued only in 2009. Same goes for Belarus I believe.

​makes sense.

How about this coin?
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces12137.html

It's a commemorative
dated AD 1981 AH 1401
but issued in 1984
the only confusion is that it has both Islamic and Gregorian dates

I assume what I did [ND(1984)] is still correct?

It should be dated (not ND) 1981. (Islamic calendar of course) with comment that it was released only in 1984.

Verweis : "Jarcek"​It should be dated (not ND) 1981. (Islamic calendar of course) with comment that it was released only in 1984.

​hmm ok im lost here:

1- that coin i mentioned is celebrating the new islamic calendar century hence it was essential to mention the islamic year on the coin
but didnt the rule say that coins celebrating an occasion, but issued in different year would be still considered ND? then why do u say it should be dated? im lost ..

2- lets say olympics coin of 2016 issued in 2015 or 2017 (your example)
you said it should be ND. but question is:
what would it be? ND (2016) or ND(issue date) ?

I hope following examples will help.

xxxxx
yyyy
2015

2015 Dated coin.


xxxxx
yyy
1358 - 1958

1958 Dated coin.


xxxxx
yyyy
1358 - 1958 (issued in 1959)

1958 Dated coin with note in comments.

xxxx
yyyy
1358 - 1958
1960

Date shown - disregard the commemorative date. Dated coin 1960.

ND coins are only those, which really do not have any date.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces92141.html

Verweis : "Jarcek"​This concerns all coins that have the date on them with several exceptions.
​
​ND stays if the coin was issued before or after event it commemorates, (Coin commemorating 2016 Olympic games issued in 2015 or 2017 for example) and the coin has no additional date on it.

​your answer explained the 1st point. 2nd question still stands. This is what you said above
a coin that shows logo of olympics with "rio 2016" written. however was issued in 2015.
would it be dated 2016?
ND(2016)?
ND(2015)?

"Rio 2016" is part of the logo, right? If so, they can't be considered as influencing the minting year.

It depends on how the number (year) is shown. If it is a logo, it cannot be considered a year. If there was nothing else on the coin, that it would be ND. If in doubt, just show us the coin.

Verweis : "Jarcek"​xxxxx
​yyyy
​1358 - 1958 (issued in 1959)
​
​1958 Dated coin with note in comments.

​

alright!​
but then this would be ND(1959) according to what you are saying. because dates would be part of the design of the occasion.

Thanks for the explanation and sorry for the confusion

Nope, that should still be ​1958 Dated coin with note in comments. Really, if in doubt, show us the coin.

Another date question:

this coin here is dated 1970 on obverse, with dates 1890-1969 on the reverse for the commemorated person.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces32424.html
date should be 1970, all good

however, its Essai version is missing the date on the obverse!
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces90667.html

the coin is currently dated ND(1970)
should it stay as such or changed to 1969 - considering the only date available on the reverse?

note: it's dated on Krause as 1970
They might be just following the date of the original coin, or maybe they haven't seen the actual essai coin

PS: if it needs changing, please do so, thanks!

It should stay as ND 1970, especially as it is known that it is not 1969.