Philip le Beau (first coin) [gelöst]

I have this coin, and a lot of questions about it.
28mm
3gr
legend:
PHS*DEI*GRA*ARCH*AUSTE* DVX*BURG*B*Z*
Philipus dei gratia archidux Austriae dux Burgundiae Brabantiae etc
OMNIS*SPIRITVS*LAVDET*DOMINV*A*1494
omnis spiritus laudet dominum anno 1494

Am I right about the date (1494?)
What is that last symbol in the date?
What is the mintplace (mintmark)?
What is the correct denomination? Patard, double patard?

Thanks for your help.

If you post photos, I'll try to help you. Have you look for it in Dewitte yet?

Verweis : "zegeri"​If you post photos, I'll try to help you. Have you look for it in Dewitte yet?

​oops! Sorry, I did Forget to post the pictures!




I have a copy of Dewitte, dated 1894. But the part of Philip le beau is not in it...

Your coin is in page 132 of Dewitte vol2, with the number 609. The illustration in page 160. It's a double sol minted in Antwerp.

Thanks!

Vanderchijs plate XXII No 10, but the picture is not really the same.
I accept that hammered coins have several dies for the same coin (several variations), but still...
De Witte says indeed 'many variations'
What about the date?
Could it be 1504? 1494?
The information that came with the coin says 1499, but I am not convinced....
It is a pitty that the date is worn off

What is the correct denomination?
Double patard, double sol, double groat, dubbele stuiver, .... ?
They all seem to have about the same weight and diameter.
That is aslo a puzzle to me

Is this coin in the catalog?
Perhaps this one?
https://fr.numista.com/catalogue/pieces95430.html
the 1504? If yes, should I post this coin as variant?

Thanks again for your help

The date is 1504, no doubt. The symbol that looks like a tie is a number 4.

Denomination. There was some coins made of argent about 3 grams. Their relatives values were determined by the fineness, not by the weight and size as usual. We can use the gros (a real coin of 1,8 g. made of high grade billion) as unit of count. The monetary system for this type of coins (silver about 3g.) before 1496 was:
double patard (.833) = 4 gros, patard (.417) = 2 gros

Then Philip (le beau, the handsome, I of Castile,... ) did a reform in 1496 with new coins and names:
silver toison (.917) = 6 gros, double sol (.667) = 4 gros, sol (.333) = 2 gros

Then his son Charles (V of HRE, I of Spain,... ) did a new reform in 1521 with new coins:
double karolus (.934) = 6 gros, karolus (.458) = 3 gros, patard (.274) = 2 gros

These are the official names, but for make our life easier, many numismatics call bricket to the double patard, stuiver to the patard, patard to the sol,... All of them same size, same weight, confusing names, ...

Your coin is that you say in Numista. The title says Double patard, you know.

THANKS very much!!!!

There are different names for the same coin, because they were used in an area were different languages were spoken.
-Patard (French), Stuiver (Dutch), Sol(Spanish). But I agree also many other names were given!

Nice Burgundian Netherlands Brabant coin you got there!

Verweis : "Michaelw90"​
​Nice Burgundian Netherlands Brabant coin you got there!

​I have a second one:
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic66959.html