Chinese Cash coins - ID and authenticity help

Hi all,

In going through my great-grandfathers coin box, mostly collected from East Africa during WWII, I found these two Chinese coins. Looking through the Numista catalogue makes me think the first one is a
1 Cash - Qianlong Boo-chiowan (thought it's wider than the diameter listed there), but the second one is different enough that I can't seem to find a match. Which is now making me think that one or both are fakes! I've seen other posts where replicas have raised dots in the background, but that doesn't seem as apparent in mine. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Coin 1
26mm Diameter
Around 6g (my scales don't go into decimals sorry!)


Coin 2
23.5mm diameter
Around 4g

#2
variant of this ?
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces1133.html

Verweis : "PetrusAscanus"​#2
​variant of this ?
​https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces1133.html
​

​Indeed. Genuine to me.

The second one makes me thing of a Qianlong palace coin, board of . But there is something wrong with the characters. Opinions from more experienced people would be welcome.

For the first token, the character "Qian" is quite whimsical. It's not even a copy or a fake, the writing being so far from the genuine coin. The caster didn't want to deceive the customer, he didn't want to make a copy of the genuine coin, he was just inspired by it.
He made a coin so far from the genuine palace coin that this token might be described as a "lucky charm"

I agree on Frenchlover. I also think that the first one is a token, I have not seen that kind of characters in Chinese cash coins.

http://primaltrek.com/chinesecoins.html#qian_long_tong_bao :

The well-made coin at the left is typical of the cash coins cast during the early part of his reign.

A very large quantity of qian long cash coins were cast but their size and quality, in comparison to that of the Kang Xi and Yong Zheng era, gradually deteriorated during his reign.

The inscription on the obverse side reads qian long tong bao (乾隆通宝).

A special characteristic of some qian long coins, and which can be seen here, is that the bottom character long (隆) is sometimes written with a fou (缶) instead of a sheng (生).

All qianlong cash coins have the mint name written in Manchu only. The reverse side of this coin has the Manchu character boo, meaning "building" on the left, and the Manchu character yuwan meaning Board of Works on the right.

The coin, cast at the Board of Works mint in Peking (Beijing), has a diameter of 26 mm and a weight of 5.3 grams.