any idea of this coin ? [gelöst]

Hi
any idea what about the coin? Do you know the id ? Sorry can't make better and larger photo.

Sweden??..

This was my first shoot check there but nothing

Can you give us a photo of the reverse?

dont have , only this photo i cant get enlarge.

At first I thought it was a crowned lion between two crowns, but may be
a lion inside a three-crown triangle. With a number 8 on the right ...

but it may not be Sweden as they have two crowns above one, not the other way round.

Can you get rough diameter based on the other coins from the image

Based on my knowledge about European heraldry, I'd have guessed Bohemia, or somewhere thereabouts.... they're the only other place I know with a double tailed lion. Not sure about the three crowns, though.

EDIT: Checked Bohemia and it's subissuers, nothing (at least nothing with a reference photo on Numista, lol). Also checked Hesse and related German states, nothing either. Nothing still in Swedish possessions outside Sweden.

Did a Google image search, at least we now have the whole coin:

Verweis : "CassTaylor"​Did a Google image search, at least we now have the whole coin:
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​Did it have a site to visit with more info?
Gary

@Gary
Yeah, it was a Polish auction site, but I assumed that was where Damien got the picture from in the first place:
https://onebid.pl/pl

Scroll down to Aukcja 2, but try to click on it and it says it's temporarily hidden.

Verweis : "CassTaylor"​@Gary
​Yeah, it was a Polish auction site, but I assumed that was where Damien got the picture from in the first place:

​Scroll down to Aukcja 2, but try to click on it and it says it's temporarily hidden.

​Thanks, Cass. There are similar images in Bohemia, Austria-Hapsburg and Czechoslovakia sections. I'm guessing this is maybe 1618, but can find primarily coinage with lettering surrounding the Lion. This one is pretty plain, but I would buy it if the price was right. I am wondering about the initials N/H.

Here's a resized image.

Thanks!

Now we know of "1" and "8" on the upper corners... and also the letters "N" and "H" below.

Thanks for the full picture, that helps !

18 is the face value, it stands for "18 groszy" (1 ort).
NH is probably the initial of a moneyer ; I already saw it on a polish-lituanian coin.

Regarding those informations, it should be a ort of John II Casimir Vasa.

Edit : NH is for Mikołaja Henniga
​The lion with the crowns seem to stand for the city of Elblag.

https://aukcjamonet.pl/product/3442/jan-ii-kazimierz-ort-18-groszy-bez-daty-1656-elblag-okupacja-szwedzka

Edit 2 : Having a second look at it, I think the lion and the crowns just stand for the Vasa, that explains the confusion with the Sweden.

Verweis : "Cycnos"​Thanks for the full picture, that helps !
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​Very welcome!

Case closed.

Verweis : "Cycnos"​Thanks for the full picture, that helps !
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​18 is the face value, its stands for "18 groszy" (1 ort).
​NH is probably the initial of a graver ; I already saw it on a polish-lituanian coin.
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​Regarding those informations, it should be a ort of John II Casimir Vasa.
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​Edit : NH stands Mikołaja Henniga
​The lion with the crowns seem to stand for the city of Elblag.
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​https://aukcjamonet.pl/product/3442/jan-ii-kazimierz-ort-18-groszy-bez-daty-1656-elblag-okupacja-szwedzka

​I guess I won't buy that. Nice coin, though. Thanks.

Many thanks !! You're awesome !!

and here it is :
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces144931.html

Verweis : "doc_man"​and here it is :
​https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces144931.html

​Who on earth made that page?

Just look at the mess in that coin page's comments section:

Mint: Elbląg - Elbinga - Elbingus - Elbing - エルブロンク - Elbings - Jelbiąg - Elbiąg - البلنغ - Эльблонг - 埃爾布隆格

Price: 18 000 PLN

Is the multilingualism really necessary?

Im not referee for PLC so please ask geraltttt82 if you have doubts.
Regards,
Damian

Verweis : "doc_man"​Im not referee for PLC so please ask geraltttt82 if you have doubts.
​Regards,
​Damian

​Fair enough, I think this is a wider issue. Who knows how many more PLC pages have that mess in them.

Mess ? Adding more information is a mess ? Using for google, names of mints in difrent language is a mess ?

Adding price coin is a mess ? So for what adding anything here, any information ? Why we change numista lately, with adding prices into coins ?

"Wasting" my own time, searching auctions houses, looking for variants, its for you a mess ??

like here:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces96133.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces96299.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces96143.html

or maybe here ??
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces96203.html

cassTaylor If you want to "puke" judging someone's effort, I have one world for you, and guess what the word is ?

Verweis : "geraltttt82"​Mess ? Adding more information is a mess ? Using for google, names of mints in difrent language is a mess ?

With regard to this part, yes, I'm absolutely afraid that it's a mess. I'm sorry if we disagree on that but it is nothing more than a mess. You tell me what exactly having the Hiragana Japanese name for Elbląg (エルブロンク) on that coin page does for the average Numista user. Having the thickness, or alignment of the coin in question would be infinitely more useful.

The sort of information that's actually relevant, and that we should be adding, is providing photos of varieties like you have in those links, not providing the name of the mint in a dozen different languages. Anyone with 5 seconds and Google Translate can do that for themselves.

And if you really feel this sort of "information" is worth adding, why only stop at having ten or twelve languages? Why not include Tamil, or Hebrew, or Hindi, or Xhosa? Not sure if this is a matter of referee autonomy, but I for one believe it's completely useless. I will message a team member about it.

EDIT: Apparently this issue has been raised before. If you didn't then you probably won't now, so nevermind.