What are siege coins: Siege coins are basically coins minted under a siege, and often have a simple design. The countries that have minted siege coins are in alphabetical order.
Indeed a very interesting field of collecting but true most of these coins are rare to find and most also are not cheap to get.
I have seen a few great collections of this theme sold at some great auction houses.
the history these coins experienced is just amazing ;)
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They truly are not cheap. The Artois coins sell for about 500-5000€. Most of these coins are often sold for 300-10000€.
Tournai siege coins are often a bit cheaper, about 300€/piece.
My only siege coin yet is the Saxony 3 groschen. I bought it with 30€, first to own it. But its in very bad condition. A ~F/VF one was sold for something like 800€/piece...
Here is a list of the siege coins that often do not cost a fortune:
Venice 15C
Luxembourg 1 Sol
(Some Mains and Lille coins often sold for ~70€)
That great mongol siege coin is often sold for about 15-20€.
France - Antwerp coins.
Also, some English civil war coins are sometimes sold for under 100/50€.
"Interesting" siege coins arent cheap. Montenegro and Croatia siege coins are not so cheap.
If anyone knows the first coin on the list, I would want to know more about it. Yep. the afghan falus
That Afghanistan coin is mine, it was purchased from a lot at an auction house lot marked as unidentified Indian and Islamic lot.
It was later identified on Zeno.
In the comments field of the coin you can see an explanation on this coin.
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Its rare but I don't think its that valuable, Dutch, German... Siege coins are much more wanted by collectors.
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Why did you mark Maudry as the owner of the pictures?
I don‘t think the coin and pictured is his.
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Verweis : "neilithicman"Are they similar to occupation coinage from WWI and WWII?
Yes in the sense that they were only ever issued because of events in a war, no in the sense that occupation coinage (e.g. the Francisque Vichy coins) usually at least utilised some effort in their designs and production, whereas most of the time siege coins tend to be made as crudely as possible, reflecting what resources were available to the makers.
Verweis : "neilithicman"Are they similar to occupation coinage from WWI and WWII?
Yes in the sense that they were only ever issued because of events in a war, no in the sense that occupation coinage (e.g. the Francisque Vichy coins) usually at least utilised some effort in their designs and production, whereas most of the time siege coins tend to be made as crudely as possible, reflecting what resources were available to the makers.
I don't know about that, most of the coins listed there have decent but basic designs, same as most of the occupation coinage.
Verweis : "neilithicman"I don't know about that, most of the coins listed there have decent but basic designs, same as most of the occupation coinage.
Depends on your threshold for the word "basic" I suppose, and what examples you're thinking of.
For example, a lot more work and effort probably went into designing and producing this WWI Belgian occupation coin on the left than went into this English Civil War siege coin, probably made/cut from a piece of silverware, on the right:
I'll ad them later to my list, now I added some information of the 5 pesetas and requested the addition (siege coinage) to all of them.
English civil war coinage was minted atleast in 5 places, I guess many more but I am not a expert:
Newark: the most wanted english civil war coins were minted here. Most/all of them are on numista. Ormond: Quite rare. Usually circle. Carlisle: Circle, most arent on numista. Pontefract: There werent a lot of them Scarborough: Weirdest shaped, often pieces of metal with pictures of castles. VERY many different types. (?)
Many more, actually
Yes, it is my coin and thank you for creating the page on numista.
It is part of my collection of civic Copper coins which I cherish.
Civic Copper coins have been locally issued in Afghanistan and Iran.
They were meant to dal with the lack of small change.
They do not bear the name of a ruler but only the denomination (generally falus), most of the time the issuing city and sometimes a year.
On the other side there are generally pictured animal or floral themes.
On iranian coins very often the lion and sun.
Verweis : "neilithicman"some of the WWII Belgian and dutch ones were pretty plain, like this Belgian 2 francs
whereas some of the designs for the siege coins are pretty nice, I particularly like this one that was listed
Silesia
One "common" siege coin not on numista is the 1704 ULM GULDEN.
Still shiny ones are often sold for only 200€!
I remember wondering why we wrote the pre-decimal pence as (for example) "6d" for sixpence, rather than "6p" as we would today. I always assumed it had something to do with the denier, the base denomination of Charlemagne's livre, or "pound".
EDIT: Turns out that's partially true, but the origins of the pre decimal terms for both French (livre, sol/sous, denier) and English/British (pound, shilling, penny) go back even further to the Roman (Latin) terms "libra (pound), solidus, and denarii". You learn something new everyday.
I remember wondering why we wrote the pre-decimal pence as (for example) "6d" for sixpence, rather than "6p" as we would today. I always assumed it had something to do with the denier, the base denomination of Charlemagne's livre, or "pound".
EDIT: Turns out that's partially true, but the origins of the pre decimal terms for both French (livre, sol/sous, denier) and English/British (pound, shilling, penny) go back even further to the Roman (Latin) terms "libra (pound), solidus, and denarii". You learn something new everyday.
By the way, the Ormond Crown is also already listed on Numista (my last link), is it not?
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces25972.html
I saw that now. Oops! But now I will add the Inchiquin, Annulet and Dublin coins. Right after that the Ormond coins - after that the rebellion coin and later possibly the Ulm golden & the Wismar 4sch.
Verweis : "neilithicman"I don't know about that, most of the coins listed there have decent but basic designs, same as most of the occupation coinage.
Depends on your threshold for the word "basic" I suppose, and what examples you're thinking of.
For example, a lot more work and effort probably went into designing and producing this WWI Belgian occupation coin on the left than went into this English Civil War siege coin, probably made/cut from a piece of silverware, on the right:
Thank you for all the time and effort you have put in to this mission. It was a turbulent time for England and I am delighted that the various siege coinage issues will be better represented in the catalogue. I have started verfiying the first few listings but as you can imagine, it's not a 5 minute job and involves several reference sources so will take a little while before they are all published. Thanks again
Just because you can't see it ... doesn't mean it isn't there - Anon.
Thank for adding all of those but Why are most it seems not correctly copyright marked for the pictures or with pictures from unauthorized sources?
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Verweis : "apuking"Thank for adding all of those but Why are most it seems not correctly copyright marked for the pictures or with pictures from unauthorized sources?
If you mean the Irish coins, most are from https://oldcurrencyexchange.com every source not said are either because I was tired or because I simply did not remember where the picture was from.
That site does not appear to be on the list of sites of which we can take pictures from, some of the siege coins you added also have no info at all from where the poctures are from.
sorry but we have to do it correctly or all these pictures will have to be deleted
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Verweis : "apuking"That site does not appear to be on the list of sites of which we can take pictures from, some of the siege coins you added also have no info at all from where the poctures are from.
sorry but we have to do it correctly or all these pictures will have to be deleted
Is it okay if I email the person who owns the blog and ask about it?
I'll watch out next time - and maybe buy some catalogues. Now that most of the English civil war coins (Or all the ones I know and are actually kind-of common) are added I have time to concentrate on adding single pieces.
Even taking pictures of a catalogue and adding them on here is actually a copyright infringement but I saw that you added some from a book that was from the 1700's. On this of course there is no more copyright.
You can ask the owner of the website https://oldcurrencyexchange.com/ if the pictures are his and if we are allowed to use them on Numista, then we can add hm to the list.
Send him a mail here old.currency.exchange@gmail.com
here again on copyright laws for books.
All works published in the United States before 1923 are in the public domain. Works published after 1922, but before 1978 are protected for 95 years from the date of publication. If the work was created, but not published, before 1978, the copyright lasts for the life of the author plus 70 years.
This is the US law but I think we follow the European laws as its a website registered in France but I guess it will be simmilar.
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It's a precaution, Numista was bit because of this years ago and I think asking for permission is the least someone can do ... common curtesy.
Look at the Colnect threads! There are many many pictures copied from here to their catalog most without approval from our members ... this maybe without consequence for them but still it throws quite a bad light on the site, at least in my eyes.
A few days ago I was in contact with UCoin, where a user copied pictures of mine and another user I know he didn't ask for permission, from our Japan catalog. I don't approve of this practice and to their credit they actually took them down.
But that are just the pictures I have asked myself many times what Krause and other catalog publishers think of all the one to one copying of descriptions and comments in our catalog.
You are correct 100% of course, but my lament is more at having to go through all this copyright stuff just to get a hold of a few photos.... I am still waiting for replies from some sources after nearly 2 years now.
I brought that last part up because once I remember I had a source reply to me apologising for the late reply and granting it, 14 months after I asked for permission to use their photos.
Thats just how it is, I have added many dozens numismatic auction houses to Numista but many have never replied, some declined and some are super thorough.
I will have a call today with Dorotheum on this and previously we had already 3-4 mails in a discussion.
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Im on a "holiday" for two days, so I'll add more coins later...Still many coins from many different countries, Ireland, German states, denmark not on numista
Im not going to do anything with the English Civil War (and the turku coins) anymore. They are a too big job for one man, add them without photos if you want.
