Both member joined Numista on 18 Nov 2018 and rated each other claiming to received coins with excellent packing . Do they delivered there coins through some kind of super sonic aircraft
Hi
Yes, it's also a way.
It's a faster way, but the way to hell. You need to keep reading from whom - to whom and watch out for suspicious accounts.
Thank you for your mindfulness. Ivan
I started the exchange with this guy and accepted it very soon. Then the collector demanded that I send the letter to him first.
I sent him a warning that appears on his profile, and I wrote that the custom is different and sends the one who has less comments.
After this message, the account disappeared, as well as the account of the individual who gave him the first positive comment.
Where are these people coming from?
Oh well done, you just pointed out his mistakes to him and made him a better scammer. Now he'll create another set of profiles, wait a week or two before posting fake feedback and try again and it'll be harder to pick him up. You should have just declined to swap and then reported him.
It was to me?
Maybe I should send him the first coin and add it for free?
To not scare him and teach him how to behave?
I think this is about eliminating such crooks from our surroundings.
And if you want, you can exchange with whomever you want, and send the first one even if there are no comments.
You need to have common sense, because we will not avoid cheaters anyway.
I must admit I agree with neilithicman. Instead of posting on the forum or pointing out to the scammer what he did wrong, you should have reported the accounts to the moderators : they know what to do in this case and react quickly.
Now this scammer - and probably other ones who will read this thread - has learned his mistake and will be more carefull.
Buddy Cycnos, you do not know what you write.
After all, the first post it was reported that something is wrong with these two collectors.
Moderators interested?
Nobody did anything about it and the cheater continued to work.
Maybe it would be good for the forum to create a separate "Warning" section and you could add comments about dishonest collectors.
Would you consider yourself if the cheater did not end his career, how many cheated would he inexperienced colleagues?
Dear ciusek, thanks for your concern but I know what I'm writting : I was moderator on another forum.
When you notice there is something wrong going on with a user on Numista, you should report its account to a moderator straight away by clicking on the question mark visible on the top right of its profile and explain what makes you think there is a problem with him :
If nothing happens during the following day, you can contact an administrator in private message to explain the situation (you can find the list of people empowered to this task here : https://en.numista.com/team.php ).
Everything about security concerns on the plateform and suspicious users should be communicate in private to the administrators and not on the forum nor to other users (especially not to the scammer...).
By doing that the problem would have been solved five days ago (administrators don't have time to read every topic posted on the forum and moderators sometimes forget to report this kind of subjet to them). Moreover, the scammer woudn't be aware about what he did wrong.
Do you mean If someone is stealing don't stop him ,watch him like a spectator, Let him do the wrong thing go to police to report in the mean time the thief will escape and law will take its action when time comes...............
Look at the positive side my dear friends ! few Friends have been saved for now ....Its a never ending thing
You will not understand how it feel when you have 50 coins in you swap list and someone cheat you and take your 30 coins.I have been cheated twice.I Know nothing happen by reporting, sometimes it take time and time is crucial.The scammer take advantage of this time.
At least the scammer knows that some one on Numismatist is keeping an eye on them ,May be I can't stop all scam but I will continue this with my best ability ............I am very Happy to save few members .Its Great
My point was, by telling him what he did wrong you'll help him improve his scamming. By telling him that he looks suspicious because he got feedback on the same day he started his profile, he'll now set up a new profile, wait a week before posting fake feedback and try again, then it won't be easy to find until after he rips someone off.
Verweis : "neilithicman"Oh well done, you just pointed out his mistakes to him and made him a better scammer. Now he'll create another set of profiles, wait a week or two before posting fake feedback and try again and it'll be harder to pick him up. You should have just declined to swap and then reported him.
This member was proud that he stood up to this thief, and you shot him down.In my opinion it was well done. He stopped the prick.
Regardless of what he was told, hell keep trying.
The bottom line is ,dont send 1st if he is a new swapper or has very few feedback.
Its not rocket science. If you dont use common sense, then be prepared to get screwed.
Verweis : "Mask"Ooooops !
Did I went too far ?
I wasn't talking about the OP, I was talking about this guy who contacted him directly. Also I don't think he "stopped the prick" The scammer will just create a new profile and start again.
Verweis : "arvin11"Do you mean If someone is stealing don't stop him ,watch him like a spectator, Let him do the wrong thing go to police to report in the mean time the thief will escape and law will take its action when time comes...............
Look at the positive side my dear friends ! few Friends have been saved for now ....Its a never ending thing
You will not understand how it feel when you have 50 coins in you swap list and someone cheat you and take your 30 coins.I have been cheated twice.I Know nothing happen by reporting, sometimes it take time and time is crucial.The scammer take advantage of this time.
At least the scammer knows that some one on Numismatist is keeping an eye on them ,May be I can't stop all scam but I will continue this with my best ability ............I am very Happy to save few members .Its Great
When someone tries to break into your appartment and fails, yes, the first thing you should do is calling the police instead of leaving a message on your doorway saying "I spotted you because of the camera hidden at this entry".
The best chances you have to get him caught is to wish the police will get him as quickly as possible with the informations you give them : they are more competent than you for this task.
Discretion is your best ally if you don't want him to run away and stop him before he steals someone else.
Anyway, this post didn't stop him : its profile was probably reported to an adminstrator and those accounts deleted after that.
Does someone even tried to contact the Numista team before posting this topic or before speaking to this scammer ? I don't think so.
Believe me, you may think this post helped few users to avoid a scam, but in reality this behavior just helped this scammer to improve its strategy.
It will be harder to unmask him in the future and more people will be affected by him if he finds a way to come back.
It's easier to spot a scammer when you know its modus operandis : when he is aware about which elements allowed us to spot him, he changes its strategy and becomes more dangerous in the future.
Verweis : "Cycnos"When someone tries to break into your appartment and fails, yes, the first thing you should do is calling the police instead of leaving a message on your doorway saying "I spotted you because of the camera hidden at this entry".
I have to admit that it was not my smartest idea...
I was in such a rage seeing him not taken down after being named on the forum almost one week ago, and trying to rob me, that I acted without thinking that I was actually showing him where he f***ed up.
I'm sorry guys !
PS : can't the administrators get the IP of the deleted account (I don't know how it works, particularly if an account is deleted) and have a look if there is a new account with the same IP so as to ban and/or forbid him to create a new account based on the IP (here again, don't know if it's possible) to prevent him doing any harm ?
Sorry folks, I don't see any problem in exposing these bums as quickly and publicly as possible. Let's be realistic, they're not here to prey on those with years of experience, they're looking for young collectors and those new to swapping. Shut them down as quickly as possible, either by alerting the membership via the forum, notifying moderators via the "report" button, or both. I don't care, just do it.
Team members have lives outside of Numista and it's clear that response times run hot and cold. Sometimes, most times actually, I find that problem accounts are dealt with inside of 24 hours. However I'm sure many of you will remember times when nobody seemed to be steering the ship and known crooks were running free long after their new accounts were confirmed. We're currently in a sunny phase where problems are dealt with quickly. The abuses of the Swaps and Trades forum some months ago were dealt with perfectly, with the needed changes implemented swiftly and temporary measures put in place until this could be done. Good job folks!
I'm not sure that I buy into the notion that exposure has an impact on making smarter thieves, although I have a healthy respect for those making that case. It would, I reckon, be a very dim witted crook who couldn't work out why their accounts were disabled or flagged. I believe it's much more likely they will be deterred by the quick exposure and go away forever. Even if it was the case that an occasional thief might use the opportunity to refine his predatory tactics, it's also true that potential victims will learn what to look for, especially fake feedback. Sunlight is a great disinfectant, watch those roaches scatter!
What continues to puzzle me is why Numista doesn't have staff dedicated to keeping feedback honest and disabling or flagging fraudulent accounts. It falls to those already occupied with other duties. Scammers are a continuing plague, not just for Numista but for Colnect and every other similar platform. Perhaps it's time to improve the way these bottom feeders are reported and dealt with?
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Verweis : "pnightingale"What continues to puzzle me is why Numista doesn't have staff dedicated to keeping feedback honest and disabling or flagging fraudulent accounts. It falls to those already occupied with other duties. Scammers are a continuing plague, not just for Numista but for Colnect and every other similar platform. Perhaps it's time to improve the way these bottom feeders are reported and dealt with?
Perhaps start a new topic in the "Numista Website" section of the forum with the idea. Although as with all the Numista positions of power, the problem will be getting the right person in the position. Some of the Numista team are very good and some of them seem to get puffed up with their own importance and abuse their power.
There are some scammers on sites like this, but I think most of them are easy to avoid if you use your common sense. It won't keep all of them away, but your chances are better. Here is my list, but please take into consideration that it's only my private opinion based on my experience.
1, If you are a new user, only swap with collectors who have 50+ ratings. Usually 20-30 ratings are good, but as a new user you shold be careful.
2, Don't swap with profiles that are not at least 1 year old.
3, Don't swap with anyone who has less than 5 ratings.
4, If your swap partner's ratings are under 10, check them one by one. If they were given by users with swap history, it's ok.
5, Swap with users from these countries/regions only: EU (+ other non-EU member Western and Northern European countries), USA, Canada, Australia, NZ, Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea, Israel (maybe I forgot to mention some other countries, but I think everyone understands what I'm trying to say).
6, When someone you find suspicious wants to swap with you, don't be shy to ask him/her to send first.
7, Keep swap value under $150 (or other amount, depends on what's the maximum you can risk in a swap)
8, Ask for scans.
9, If someone offers you to send first, none of these restrictions are valid.
And last, but not least: even with this list of advices sometimes you won't be able to avoid scammers. If you got scammed, the best thing is to move on and don't give up swapping. I was scammed during the first "swap" I did on this site by a scammer who built up a small real swap history and then stole coins from a number of users (including me). Now with 280+ swaps I'm happy that I kept swapping after my first very bad experience, because 99.9% of the users registered here are trustworthy and reliable collectors.
Verweis : "BSmith"There are some scammers on sites like this, but I think most of them are easy to avoid if you use your common sense. It won't keep all of them away, but your chances are better. Here is my list, but please take into consideration that it's only my private opinion based on my experience.
1, If you are a new user, only swap with collectors who have 50+ ratings. Usually 20-30 ratings are good, but as a new user you shold be careful.
2, Don't swap with profiles that are not at least 1 year old.
3, Don't swap with anyone who has less than 5 ratings.
4, If your swap partner's ratings are under 10, check them one by one. If they were given by users with swap history, it's ok.
5, Swap with users from these countries/regions only: EU (+ other non-EU member Western and Northern European countries), USA, Canada, Australia, NZ, Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea, Israel (maybe I forgot to mention some other countries, but I think everyone understands what I'm trying to say).
6, When someone you find suspicious wants to swap with you, don't be shy to ask him/her to send first.
7, Keep swap value under $150 (or other amount, depends on what's the maximum you can risk in a swap)
8, Ask for scans.
9, If someone offers you to send first, none of these restrictions are valid.
And last, but not least: even with this list of advices sometimes you won't be able to avoid scammers. If you got scammed, the best thing is to move on and don't give up swapping. I was scammed during the first "swap" I did on this site by a scammer who built up a small real swap history and then stole coins from a number of users (including me). Now with 280+ swaps I'm happy that I kept swapping after my first very bad experience, because 99.9% of the users registered here are trustworthy and reliable collectors.
I agree on most of your points, however respectfully not all.
I have seen rules similar to yours above a few times on the forum, and although I agree, this is a good policy if you are very very worried about swaps (or swapping very high value), but it really doesn't help new members.
If no one swaps with anyone with less than 5 ratings - how do they get ratings?
If no one swaps with profiles less than 1 year old - do new members have to wait a year to join in the swapping?
As a new member myself, I am glad that there are many swappers who are willing to swap with new people. I have just completed my first month and I am at 25 swaps. Every swapper has been super friendly, very honest and I have so far, had great experiences.
That said, a few swappers did ask for me to send first - I did in every case without question - which is still a bit of a worry for the new member too.
I always send scans when asked as well.
I am not saying that new users shouldn't be viewed with normal caution but if your rule for new swappers is get scans and they send first, how can you be scammed? You don't need to avoid new profiles or low ratings, just wait for their coins, check them and send when happy.
Just some thoughts. Although I would be fuming if I was scammed too though! :)
Verweis : "pnightingale"What continues to puzzle me is why Numista doesn't have staff dedicated to keeping feedback honest and disabling or flagging fraudulent accounts. It falls to those already occupied with other duties. Scammers are a continuing plague, not just for Numista but for Colnect and every other similar platform. Perhaps it's time to improve the way these bottom feeders are reported and dealt with?
Perhaps start a new topic in the "Numista Website" section of the forum with the idea. Although as with all the Numista positions of power, the problem will be getting the right person in the position. Some of the Numista team are very good and some of them seem to get puffed up with their own importance and abuse their power.
We had the ideal person in Ben (BAM777) but he gave up in frustration after repeatedly being denied the tools / access to do the job in a timely manner.
There's also another issue - lack of support from the top. Anyone tasked with resolving disputes is going to piss off at least one of the parties involved who will then complain loudly, publicly and often. I don't ever recall those complaints being addressed, it was simply left to Ben to face the music alone.
Then there's the good old race card. You know as well as I do that it's been played very successfully in the past. (Remember that vast neo-nazi conspiracy farce of a few years ago?) Considering the source of many of these crooks, it's inevitably going to be played in the future. Past experience gives me zero confidence that whoever takes on the role won't be thrown under the bus the first time some opportunist cries "wascally waycism!".
The chalice is so poisoned that it's hard to see anyone credible taking on the role, sadly I think you're right - it would be filled by someone more interested in the title than in actually addressing the problem.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Verweis : "Mask"Ooooops !
Did I went too far ?
well, to tell someone to go and kill themselves is always to go too far! and by pointing out that the rating was fromthe same day he created his account, will just help him to improve his scamming skills..i just can't see the point in contacting him in the first place..
Verweis
well, to tell someone to go and kill themselves is always to go too far! ...
I don't think he will really do this...
well, since ww know nothing about him and his life, we can't say for sure..if this was the fifth go and kill themself that day, and tje thkrdieth that week, you never know..people have done it after just been told once..
Ivan 
