Rules for filling up Title and Face Value in case of big denominations

I have just finished looking through all new banknotes recently added (more than 2500) into the system and revised fields with big denominations according to standards... revised some errors in all fields.

As far as I remember this standard discussed and committed
e.g.
Title - 500 000 000 Dinara (spaces between 000 000)
Face Value - 500,000,000 Dinara (commas between 000,000)

It will be good idea to give example opposite fields on "Add or modify data" pages or provide short notes

P.S. Following this rule when adding banknotes will be good for searching, ordering in the items list, etc.

When was this committed to?

Verweis : "Oklahoman"​When was this committed to?

​It was discussion in the thread, regarding to Zimbabwe big denominations.. and this Zimbabwe example, as far as I see, was supported. That's why I have done changes in the catalogue based on Zimbabwe case. I think it is quite optimal. Anyway we need to define it and approve officialy. Hope my work was not just wasting of time (at least we see normal ordering in search lists by country and denomination).

Any thoughts?

Spaces or commas are both acceptable at this time.

1 000 000 000 is acceptable.

1,000,000,000 is acceptable.

1.000 Not.

1000000000 is not.

This is how Sulfur and I are handling this. When an official announcement is made then the robot can fix these.

It is settled.

With all due respect, the refs will be accepting these formats:

1 000 000 000 or 1,000,000,000 . There has been no acceptance of one over the other. 1000000000 can be asked for editing, or we may edit it if we have time. Please avoid that format in the title. Also try to avoid 1.000.000 in the titles as well.

There really is no settling of this matter yet. When it is settled, the robot can assist in the question of consistency.


As spaces and commas are acceptable, lets please not have a "changing war." Please keep the edits up for getting rid of 000000000 and 00.000.000 The robot can handle the space and comma question later.

To me, any number over 999,999 should be titled 1 Million, 1 Billion, or 1 Trillion, etc.

I always put the words 'Million', 'Billion', & 'Trillion' when I list my Zimbabwean hyperinflation notes - as I have vision problems, & it is easy to mistype in an extra zero or leave a zero out.

Other collectors, I think will agree with me on this, as presentation is very important.

Aidan.

Spelled out words will be sent back for editing.

Agreed that the words trillion and billion should be used. Too many zeros and how many people know how many zeros make up a billion and Let's not even get started on the difference between a British billion or an American one...

Which is why zeroes will be used at this time. The zeroes are harder than words to misinterpret.

Counting long lines of zeros is more likely to cause problems rather than seeing a word. If the banknote uses the word billion/trillion then that helps.

Out of interest how many zeros make a trillion?

Very simple a million to the power of 3
10⁶^³ --> 10¹⁸
18 zeros, I don't know how many in the short scale system because that makes not much sense to me word wise.

Just stating that we will be using digits at this time. If you are curious by all means check the Zimbabwe listings. I'm sure that ref has done his homework.

Verweis : "peterjhalford"​Counting long lines of zeros is more likely to cause problems rather than seeing a word. If the banknote uses the word billion/trillion then that helps.
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​Out of interest how many zeros make a trillion?

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More reason why any denomination 1 Million & higher should be spelled out using the word.

Aidan.

Thanks for sharing your opinions.

I would like not to use billion/trillion words, cause of different definitions.

As i know in the US a billion is 1,000 millions, but on Spanish talking countries a billion is 1 million of millions. Same on trillion word.

Verweis : "adanieluy"​​but on Spanish talking countries a billion is 1 million of millions. Same on trillion word.

​I believe this is the case in most, if not all, of Europe.

Sadly, the UK government adopted the American mis-definition of billion, trillion, etc. around 1980 (guess who's fault that was) and this has spread into daily life. Therefore, for clarity's sake, we need to use the numbers rather than words.
In case anyone is unclear, billion, trillion, etc. equal 10^6n in the long scale and 10^3(n+1) in the short scale, where n=2 for billion, 3 for trillion, etc.

If the note says in words Trillion, million or billion then surely that should be in the title as well?

Verweis : "peterjhalford"​If the note says in words Trillion, million or billion then surely that should be in the title as well?

​So you'd prefer it says 2 Billionen in the title rather than 2,000,000,000,000?

If the bank note says the word then yes.

Verweis : "peterjhalford"​If the bank note says the word then yes.

​Numbers are universal and should be prefered. Or should we go with "Zehn Mark", "Pět Korun", "Один Рубль", "Vijftig Gulden", etc, just because it says so on the note?

how about the word in brackets 1,000,000 (1 Million). The issue is that when there are lots off zeros people can easily miscount/people arent always sure how many zeros make a zillion.

As long as the word is mentioned on the page it's searchable. Just search "5 zillion" and you will probably find it.