The person who avoids communicating or communicates vaguely after you send your coins and ask if he has sent his is clearly A Swindler.
This guy houxxxxx22 is a clear swindler so why not black list him? Also publish his address so people don't post to that add even if he assumes different name. I am sure he has two or three Id's and gives himself fake feedback with fake swaps. He is a great artist.
I would be careful with trading with anyone who has given a ostrich feed back to him.
Yeah I can see the warning but this gets removed sometimes. I am not sure it is removed automatically after some months or after he receives a few more 5star ratings. This should not be removed unless people who gave negative rating ask Xavier to remove it. By now he might be in another nickname. But his address is below so be careful. He has the guts to give his address below which is not a post box number.
Verweis : madhunagaYeah I can see the warning but this gets removed sometimes. I am not sure it is removed automatically after some months or after he receives a few more 5star ratings. This should not be removed unless people who gave negative rating ask Xavier to remove it. By now he might be in another nickname. But his address is below so be careful. He has the guts to give his address below which is not a post box number.
I see he has left you negative feedback
That's adding insult to injury right there.... you lose your coins then get your reputation damaged as well.
Given your otherwise impeccable record and the source of that single bad feedback I would think you have excellent grounds for asking it to be removed.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Verweis : bam777... and he won't be trading for a long time on here.
Maybe explain what Numista can do to prevent future swaps by a swindler. Are you guys blocking IP addresses? Some people seem to think, that multiple offenders can still swap and open unlimited accounts from one computer.
Verweis : pnightingale... his original name was L~~~~~~2.
BAM!!! You're breaking the rules, same nickname exists on Numista. You're either naming a member who is a crook or an innocent guy with bad taste in nicknames.
I have written to Xavier requesting houxxxxx22 remarks and rating be removed from my profile.
So far he is the only one. A couple of others i almost sent my coins first but held back to see if he is posting.The person never posted and later cancelled the swap suddenly. It could be another one or could be a genuine guy who got suddenly put off with my delay. I am not sure so i dont want to name him here.
Verweis : vinluiftghello
if you put the names of these scammers is best for all
so you do not make exchanges with these people
regards
I agree, unfortunately common sense is a two way street. Political correctness nowadays is also in breach of common sense, yet, it is popular enough to continue to exist.
Verweis : ngdawaI'm not sure if there's already a thread about this, but if there is, there's two now.
Unfortunately there are unhonest people around us whose only purpose is to fool and steal others coins.
I'm not sure how they are treated here by the site, but I think that we, the honest people, should warn and inform each other!
Unfortunately I've been in contact with a swindler. Totally unaware of this I decided to send first, since I've just had good experiences so far by the site. And of course he was an dishonest man. The member I'm talking about is ******. I now his real name, well, at least the name he gave me, but I'm not gonna reveal it here. I just want to warn everyone for him!
*******
[Myszu2 removed name for violation of forum rules: "Do not discuss your problems with other members via the forum; please use private messaging." ]
This is becoming more like a lynch mob mentality. Please do not let it get out of hand.
perhaps everyone should look at
%^&&&$%& profile
i don't know if anything could be done - as it's theft by post
maybe someone has some idea
thanks
Username altered by bam777
Verweis : matthew88So is it all about the stars? How are you supposed to establish credibility if nobody wants to swap with you?
This is a problem anywhere on the web, new eBay sellers, Listia members with zero feedback just have to accept that until they become established their items will fetch lower prices.
If you a serious about becoming an active Numista member it's important to let your fellow members know who you are, what you are looking for and what you have to offer in exchange. One of the biggest obstacles new members encounter is their assumption that everyone else is psychic. You have already added your location which is a small but vital step. Many members, probably most, either trade within their own borders or have a rather long list of countries they will not mail to. I find it laughable reading complaints about a lack of trading activity from someone who could be 10 miles down the road or in B.F. Egypt.
Numista has a pretty nice search and matching engine, unfortunately it doesn't (yet) port the grades over onto the exchange page. When adding your coins (I notice you don't have any listed yet) it's very helpful to include the grade in the comments field. I also include the Krause value... well I should say that I'm in the process of doing this, it's a long tedious job but once it's done swaps will be much easier. Assuming of course that the other party has listed the same info.
Don't be alarmed by such a long forum thread about cheats, Numista is largely free from these creeps. Most of the discussion is about how best to keep it that way. Once you have listed your exchanges and completed your profile look to open a trade with one of the more established collectors. Read their profile, it should include enough information to allow you to work out if what you are offering is of interest. There is nothing more frustrating for those who list high value coins to receive multiple offers from people with low value pocket change to offer.
Having found a suitable swap partner, check recent feedback to make sure they are still active. If you see a little yellow icon, it means they are temporarily not swapping, common this time of year due to postal backlogs. If all is good, select the coins you want and open a swap. As an unknown quantity you should be prepared to mail your coins and wait until they have been received and inspected before anything is mailed back to you. Start with small swaps wihin the lower 48 but keep in mind the trade must still have enough value to justify the shipping costs.
Good luck and welcome to Numista.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
I'm interested in asghjaskfh the user that people are complaining about above. He had a good profile and then suddenly whamo...he started losing it completely...
Verweis : bam777He had a good profile and then suddenly whamo...he started losing it completely...
Ahh..., the pressures of Numista. He finally snapped. Probably ran out of coins. Even I know you can't blame that many in a row on the Portuguese Post. We're up to 11 ratings with stars missing and still no warning, why?
I'm not sure if the warning gets placed automatically or not...Also, it could be that he has a great beginning and that is balancing the negative ratings...Still as I mentioned I'm trying to get that sorted.
Verweis : bam777I'm not sure if the warning gets placed automatically or not...Also, it could be that he has a great beginning and that is balancing the negative ratings...Still as I mentioned I'm trying to get that sorted.
Yeah, it seems to be automatically triggered once the rating falls below a certain percentage. I can see how this could be manipulated by making multitudes of small swaps before moving in for the kill.
Still red warning sign or not, even the most rank novice should have the common sense to check recent feedback before making a trade. A certain unhappy gentleman who didn't get slippers for Christmas managed to get his big red warning removed by having negative feedback suppressed, not for the first time. His antics drove off at least one excellent member, everyone knew he was a crook yet it seems that no effort was spared to accomodate him.
I suspect that this is the reason why PMs are being throttled for new members. If you are closing in for the big payoff you would want to make a whole lot of simultaneous trades and get the coins on their way before the bad feedback shows up.
Check your PM folder Ben, I sent you a link to one such person.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
When I started a Swap (November the 20th) with L-----, I thought that
his ratings were punishing him severely and so, I tried to give him an opportunity, THAT HE LOST ONCE AGAIN.
This character is an opportunist and always arranges excuses...
I have not received any coins from him 'til today, (the same already happened to others...)
He does not deserve to be part of Numista, behaving like that.
He received my coins some 35 days ago by registered letter, without rating me.... he knew why...!!!
Verweis : radrick007Thanks for keeping this thread up to date. I think it is important that we are alerted to members with warnings or seriously negative feedback.
First step was to get the brass off my a#@. Hopefully, through a few mild public arguments and a couple of civilized private messages, I have won the right to continue in this manner. Adding links to Numista, while on Numista, really shouldn't be in breach of forum policy. I encourage others to follow this process, without any derogatory remarks about possible swindlers. Just add a link to a warning. If a warning is not showing, add a link to your negative feedback, wherever it may be on Numista. Inform the Numista Team that a warning is not showing and something is suspicious. If you do not know how to add a link, send me a private message with the profile name of a potential swindler, I'll add it for you.
I am not sure if this is an ongoing conversation or an old one but I am going to reply anyway. Recently I was contacted by a member for a swap. Once we got down to the nitty-gritty it turned out he wanted a bill in return for coins. I checked his stats and he was well over 85% with good reviews. As I know many members here collect paper notes I obliged. Nothing arrived. It has been six months and still nothing. I contacted him repeatedly. Mostly he ignores me. He didn't provide a tracking number, can't tell me when he mailed it, says he gave it to his mom to mail, etc. He never sent a note to me the day he posted either. Naturally, my letter (with the note) never arrived either. Since he marked me as no stars no one wants to trade with me.
Verweis : bam777I have no problem with the links being placed on here.
Thank you.
It's ok. What I think is improtant is that people are aware of scamming going on. People can click on the link or not. I recognise that people are frustrated about being cheated and I am not protecting the thieves. I do think that their addresses and personal names should be kept private...but I have no problem with a link to their profile warning page.
thank you pnightingale and torontokuba! i turned down a swap with that person when i first joined Numista, before he accumulated all the negative feedback.. So I could have been one of his first victims.
Note;
I am replying to this thread only because I want to stay updated via email when new information about swindlers is posted... I know this is a sticky subject and I do not wish to stir the pot, choose sides or create a mob.. But there needs to be some way to protect honest traders.. it is just unfortunate that by the time a swindler is revealed he has probably already robbed several members and fled..
Verweis : terchuaIf I were to swap with someone with zero or only 1 rating, I would insist the other person sends first.
I agree that needs to be the standard, but the problem with it is that a person could complete a few "good" swaps just to gain trust and then move in for the kill. So there needs to be additional ways to gain trust.
I have seen other forums where the swindlers name, email and other info is added to a blacklist. Just saying.
Another or same gentleman from Argentina - Taxxxx looks suspicious character and looks familiar to houxxxx22 character. Beware of this gentleman. THis time however i was suspicious and asked him to post first and after that no response. Later i checked and he had got many bad feedbacks in his profile within a short time.
Verweis : kierandoran67How long do you wait for delivery before you think you have been swindled waiting since 17th November from Italy
I have seen first hand, registered packages with tracking numbers take 6-7 weeks to arrive from Europe to North America. That was not during a holiday season. Twice, I've received regular/economy/snail mail packages from the same reliable swap partner, after a 3 month wait. Seems like some countries still offer sea/ocean delivery, especially if they are known for their ports.
kierandoran67, how does one answer your question, when you do not even display or inform us of your country of origin?
When I started a Swap (November the 20th) with L-----, I thought that
his ratings were punishing him severely and so, I tried to give him an opportunity, THAT HE LOST ONCE AGAIN.
This character is an opportunist and always arranges excuses...
I have not received any coins from him 'til today, (the same already happened to others...)
He does not deserve to be part of Numista, behaving like that.
He received my coins some 35 days ago by registered letter, without rating me.... he knew why...!!!
Thanks for your time
Oh Moon
Post moderated by bam777
Ohhhh this same character did it.... AGAIN..... I assume the system should leave an advise... in order to prevent honest players !!!
Warnings are automatically displayed for members with bad ratings. Until now the conditions was to have an average rating lower than 3.5 out of 5 however the new condition is an average rating lower than 3.5 over the last 5 ratings hence good swappers which suddenly become bad swappers also have the warning.
I have changed these words but this came from Xavier himself. I thought that it would help people understand what generates a warning.
Swindlers
When someone receives an advert (HE MIGHT BE A SWINDLER) that should not affect all the other players who dealt with him...
Normally, when someone receives such a stamp, because of bad ratings, takes his revange and rates his counterparty according to the ratings he receives.
I wouldn't like to be affected by such behaviour.
So, if possible, please erase his rating from my ratings.
I did everything correctly and was robbed... adn by the end of the day got a bad rating.... this is not correct.
Oh-Moon
He has even had the audacity to post in this topic. He may create other accounts, so watch out.
If you get a swap offer from a new member in Canada, PM an admin.
Catalogue referee for British, English and Scottish coins.
Le référent pour des pièces britannique, anglais et écossais.
He has even had the audacity to post in this topic. He may create other accounts, so watch out.
If you get a swap offer from a new member in Canada, PM an admin.
WoW thanks for the links, I CAN'T BELIEVE I MISSED ALL OF THAT.. ... I Just spent the most strangely compelling 1/2 hour of reading I've ever spent on Numista or any other forum... It's also left me a bit disturbed at having caught a glimpse of what must go on inside the mind of a sick man... I don't want to carry the topic over into this thread but I have to wonder, was he someone else before C___S_____r ??
But hey great job Manxcat, Phil, Dr. Math, Bam777, torontokuba, and the rest of the members involved in ferreting him out, oh yeah and that violin playing emoticon nearly knocked me out of my seat toronto I need to copy that one for my own personal use.......
Following our mutual friend's return, I have been in talks with a number of members including Xavier.
This is what I propose:
1. To remove this thread
2. To have Numista members contact me and inform me of a swindler with his/her name and
address
3. To send these details to a different website NOT ON Numista
4. To place a link here to the website
1. To remove this thread
2. To have Numista members contact me and inform me of a swindler with his/her name and
address
3. To send these details to a different website NOT ON Numista
4. To place a link here to the website
For the safety and privacy of Numista members, that is probably a good idea.
Kenny
- Verifying your Asian and British-territorial coins everyday with the best quality photos and the best information.
Verweis : bam777Following our mutual friend's return, I have been in talks with a number of members including Xavier.
This is what I propose:
1. To remove this thread
2. To have Numista members contact me and inform me of a swindler with his/her name and
address
3. To send these details to a different website NOT ON Numista
4. To place a link here to the website
Your thoughts?
Excellent.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Verweis : bam777Following our mutual friend's return, I have been in talks with a number of members including Xavier.
This is what I propose:
1. To remove this thread
2. To have Numista members contact me and inform me of a swindler with his/her name and
address
3. To send these details to a different website NOT ON Numista
4. To place a link here to the website
Your thoughts?
I would like to modify this somewhat:
1. To remove this thread
2. To have Numista members contact bam777 and inform me of a swindler with his/her name and
address
3. To send these details to a place ON NUMISTA
Verweis : manxcat12Keep this thread, just tidy it up, and remove the lynch-mob stuff. Then summarize all the links to the warnings, all the useful info.
Then change the title and assign as an info thread.
Lynch mob stuff, what on earth are you tal...........
Hey wait a minute, I wonder what happened to Manxcat1 - Manxcat11.......... it's him!
Get a rope!
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Verweis : manxcat12Keep this thread, just tidy it up, and remove the lynch-mob stuff. Then summarize all the links to the warnings, all the useful info.
Then change the title and assign as an info thread.
Lynch mob stuff, what on earth are you tal...........
Hey wait a minute, I wonder what happened to Manxcat1 - Manxcat11.......... it's him!
Get a rope!
And what about anightingale - onightingale and qnightingale - znightingale?
Verweis : manxcat12Keep this thread, just tidy it up, and remove the lynch-mob stuff. Then summarize all the links to the warnings, all the useful info.
As of yesterday, my confidence in the abilities of some Numista team members is nonexistent. bam777, I believe we, the members, can do a better job spotting swindlers than your team can. I like the above idea, tidy it up and leave it to those who take the time to read and find out what's going on, on the forum.
Your competent team members can get their info from this thread and if need be, clean it up from time to time.
Verweis : manxcat12Keep this thread, just tidy it up, and remove the lynch-mob stuff. Then summarize all the links to the warnings, all the useful info.
As of yesterday, my confidence in the abilities of some Numista team memebers is nonexistent. bam777, I believe we, the members, can do a better job spotting swindlers than your team can. I like the above idea, tidy it up and leave it to those who take the time to read and find out what's going on, on the forum.
Yeah, there are certainly some brighter members on Numista who are capable of identifying swindlers (something I was definitely not experienced in).
Kenny
- Verifying your Asian and British-territorial coins everyday with the best quality photos and the best information.
There is one easy way to know if the letter was lost in the post, or if you are getting swindled - send registered!
It costs some extra, sometimes more than the value of the coins in the letter, but on the other hand you know who is at fault. And if it happens to be some thief within the postal service, well, then you can claim back the money plus a little extra.
During my time swapping here, since august last year:
- One letter lost to Romania.
- One letter lost to Estonia.
- One letter from Canada lost.
All regular mail.
The majority of the now 37 letters I have sent, I have sent registered. None of those have gone missing, although one to Bahrain tokk over three month to arrive.
So my experience with mail tells me that registered may be more expensive, but is more likely to arrive at it's destination.
As we say here in Sweden (poor translation follows): Tight-fistedness decieves Wisdom.
Finally, don't be to quick judging someone. It may look like there are a lot of swindlers out there, but the majority of people are honest - it's just that those who are dishonest are easier to notice. They are kind of like neo-nazis - there aren't many of them (luckily!), but they sometimes make so much noise and so many headlines one could think they're everywhere!
Verweis : bam777Following our mutual friend's return, I have been in talks with a number of members including Xavier.
This is what I propose:
1. To remove this thread
2. To have Numista members contact me and inform me of a swindler with his/her name and
address
3. To send these details to a different website NOT ON Numista
4. To place a link here to the website
Your thoughts?
I don't see how 3 and 4 are better options in themselves.
However a well maintained site with some degree of fact checking, and preferably without public hanging (figuratively) could be a good idea. Just remember a lost coin is not as bad as a lost reputation.
Hi my friends from America and other english-speaking language
This is a very interesting post....
There is member on Numista who has 2,5 And there is no warning that he may be a swindler or at least a " non -serious" swapper....
His feedbacks: 8.... and 6 or 7 negatives
In the meantime, he "delivers" feedbacks to other members. One of them had 10 and after the unsuccessful swap with A...... His rate fall from 10 to..5 ( it was his second swap).
Sorry that there is not so much communication between you and us, the French-speaking people...
Jean
Je ne collectionne que les euros, et notamment les commémoratives
Verweis : szmataSorry that there is not so much communication between you and us, the French-speaking people...
Jean
Bonjour Jean, I also regret that there is not more communication between the two sides of the forum and I miss the days when there was only one forum for all languages. Amicalement, Rick
Just because you can't see it ... doesn't mean it isn't there - Anon.
Dear All,
Have you been scammed? If yes, send their address to me? I am compiling a list to create a blacklist. This will not be posted here but you will find out where the blacklist will be in good time.
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I think we should be careful trading with a member from India with one recommendation from somebody from the same city. I asked him to send first because he was new to Numista and he replied that he agreed: I should send first because he has been cheated before.
Verweis : Hemert2013I think we should be careful trading with a member from India with one recommendation from somebody from the same city. I asked him to send first because he was new to Numista and he replied that he agreed: I should send first because he has been cheated before.
I just got a request for a swap from a person from India who has been a member of Numista since 4 March 2013 and has alrady 3 (5 star) feedback!! all from the 4.marts ...
1. "great packing. superb. "
2. "All Unc coins. Fast shipping. Reliable "
3. "No words to say...........Excellent "
I believe I will skip the swap
There are several ways to skin a cat... but only one for the cat..
Next time, swap directly with the mom. 
... I Just spent the most strangely compelling 1/2 hour of reading I've ever spent on Numista or any other forum... It's also left me a bit disturbed at having caught a glimpse of what must go on inside the mind of a sick man... I don't want to carry the topic over into this thread but I have to wonder, was he someone else before C___S_____r ??
