Yes we know that this world is full of crooks and people who swindle and cheat, unfortunately Numista and it's community of honest coin collectors are not immune from this. What I do not like is the labelling that follows after a person gets swindled. Example I send a swap proposal to a gentlemen in France my response back was how he got swindled before from a guy in Canada therefore he did not want to trade with me. My question is why I do pay for other people's deceptions? People instead of segregating themselves should just be more careful and go through a persons profile more carefully. I too was swindled recently by Ronaldas, should I now only trade with people in North America cause Europe is no loner "safe"? No, I learnt my lesson and I will just take extra precautions. If everyone started to shutout areas cause a swindler came from one country then no-one would ever swap. Every place is full of swindlers - just be smart and cautious not ignorant and cold.
Verweis : Neves07Yes we know that this world is full of crooks and people who swindle and cheat, unfortunately Numista and it's community of honest coin collectors are not immune from this. What I do not like is the labelling that follows after a person gets swindled. Example I send a swap proposal to a gentlemen in France my response back was how he got swindled before from a guy in Canada therefore he did not want to trade with me. My question is why I do pay for other people's deceptions? People instead of segregating themselves should just be more careful and go through a persons profile more carefully. I too was swindled recently by Ronaldas, should I now only trade with people in North America cause Europe is no loner "safe"? No, I learnt my lesson and I will just take extra precautions. If everyone started to shutout areas cause a swindler came from one country then no-one would ever swap. Every place is full of swindlers - just be smart and cautious not ignorant and cold.
Very well said. Also The so called third world countries have the most interesting and rarer coins.
Coins of North America and West Europe are easily available for cheap at coin shops.
So in order to expand ones coin collection ,one has to try swapping with "rarer" country citizens.
Verweis : bideshFrom India all metal sending restricted. So, when I told them, token, key rings, they refuse to take it. They, told me, definitely there is metal in it. Plastic can't be such weight.
Verweis : madhunagaIt is same story in India - My cousins many posts get returned and stopped. Some they accept send to head quarters where they scan contents and then return to sender after 2 months. This is story from India. My cousin is very frustrated and stopped swapping now for a while until he finds another method. Some he sent to another city and then posted through another relative and so on. Very frustrating.
I appreciate candid comments like these on Numista. I am cautious enough to swap with countries that have reputable post offices and I'm smart enough to try to avoid swaps from problem areas. Although, a problem could arise anywhere in the world, more often than not, it doesn't. Certain countries just have too many issues for me to be bothered. This type of aggravation makes the hobby less fun. I am in it for the pleasure, not the stress that comes from swapping with an uncertain "Danger Zone".
Verweis : bideshFrom India all metal sending restricted. So, when I told them, token, key rings, they refuse to take it. They, told me, definitely there is metal in it. Plastic can't be such weight.
Verweis : madhunagaIt is same story in India - My cousins many posts get returned and stopped. Some they accept send to head quarters where they scan contents and then return to sender after 2 months. This is story from India. My cousin is very frustrated and stopped swapping now for a while until he finds another method. Some he sent to another city and then posted through another relative and so on. Very frustrating.
I appreciate candid comments like these on Numista. I am cautious enough to swap with countries that have reputable post offices and I'm smart enough to try to avoid swaps from problem areas. Although, a problem could arise anywhere in the world, more often than not, it doesn't. Certain countries just have too many issues for me to be bothered. This type of aggravation makes the hobby less fun. I am in it for the pleasure, not the stress that comes from swapping with an uncertain "Danger Zone".
This is all baloney. I have been swapping for more than 12 years on the internet without any problems from 3 cities in India. Sending coins is not allowed by UPU and is illegal from all countries including USA and Europe. What one has to do is tell postal authorities that you have "hobby items" in the letter ,including stamps and plastic tokens and the post office allows the letter to be sent.
There is no problem in sending any letters from India if you declare items as "hobby items" , "gift" and value $1.
Verweis : shamikbCan all those who were cheated by Ronaldas PM me their names and the amount they got cheated of?
I have located a Lithuanian collector in Kaunas who is ready to go and have a talk with Ronaldas and give him a hard time.
Also if the moderator could send me the email address of Ronaldas it would be useful.
I just happened to know that on the French forum many people have also been cheated by this Ronaldas.
I placed an answer to the post to ask them to contact you as apparently you have a reliable swapper there in Kaunas who can help.
I wish everybody good luck.
I suppose that a complaint could be lodged to the Police Authorities in Kaunas....a sort of "class action"?
Fine as soon as I have a list of people and the value they have been cheated of I will inform the collector in Kaunas. I do not know if he will inform the police but he has promised to give Ronaldas a very hard time.
Does any one know if there is a Cyber crime cell in Lithuania?
In India if anyone cheats foreigners over the internet, a complaint can be made to the Cyber crimes cell of Indian police and they trace out the person from his IP and physical address and give the thief a very bad time.
I am sure there must be a cyber crime cell in at least in Ontario, Canada as well, where we can catch the Canadian cheat swapose.
Verweis : shamikbThis is all baloney. ... There is no problem in sending any letters from India if you declare items as "hobby items" , "gift" and value $1.
Just because you've figured out how to make it work from within, does not mean the majority has. Maybe, if it's all "baloney" like you say, the recurring problems from "Danger Zone" areas, speak to a cultural approach to honesty and integrity in those areas? Don't get me wrong, India is not the only "Danger Zone" and I do have first hand experience with several of these zones, all around the world.
Goods in foreign parcels fall prey to India Post
Chandan Nandy, Bangalore, March 18, DHNS:
Postal thievery
Verweis The Indian Postal Service might as well be known the Indian Pilferage Service.
Verweis : shamikbThis is all baloney. ... There is no problem in sending any letters from India if you declare items as "hobby items" , "gift" and value $1.
Just because you've figured out how to make it work from within, does not mean the majority has. Maybe, if it's all "baloney" like you say, the recurring problems from "Danger Zone" areas, speak to a cultural approach to honesty and integrity in those areas? Don't get me wrong, India is not the only "Danger Zone" and I do have first hand experience with several of these zones, all around the world.
India is no danger zone by far. In fact Canada has far more problems. A letter sent by registered mail from Canada to me was opened at their post office and all $2 and $1 coins stolen and the letter sealed by Canada Post tape....Does that make Canada a danger Zone?
I have umpteen horror stories from USPS . Canada Post is slightly better can not be compared to Royal Mail or even your Poland Post or India Post which are far more efficient.
India Post even gives personalised responses on its customer care email unlike USPS or Canada post which give automated email replies. Canada and the USA are "danger zones" as far as post is concerned.
Verweis : shamikbThis is all baloney. ... There is no problem in sending any letters from India if you declare items as "hobby items" , "gift" and value $1.
Just because you've figured out how to make it work from within, does not mean the majority has. Maybe, if it's all "baloney" like you say, the recurring problems from "Danger Zone" areas, speak to a cultural approach to honesty and integrity in those areas? Don't get me wrong, India is not the only "Danger Zone" and I do have first hand experience with several of these zones, all around the world.
Goods in foreign parcels fall prey to India Post
Chandan Nandy, Bangalore, March 18, DHNS:
Postal thievery
Verweis The Indian Postal Service might as well be known the Indian Pilferage Service.
Read and comment on the above....As I wrote in my last post I have personal experience on pilferage from Canada Post and USPS.
Your native Poland has a far better Postal service than Canada.
Verweis : shamikbCanada and the USA are "danger zones" as far as post is concerned.
Really, they do not appear to be "Danger Zones" to each other. I have over a couple of decades of experience, sending and receiving mail with no declaration, insurance, explanation and no theft between these two countries. I guess you and I have been very lucky so far. Thanks for the heads up.
It's a shame that Chandan Nandy from Bangalore disagrees with you. Reach out, tell him how things have changed and see if he will write a more positive article. Send us a link.
So.... it's safe to mail coins to India because some guy on the interwebs says so? Same guy who think the Polish postal service is efficient.....? Try asking a few Poles about that one.
Look, I can provide internet links which "prove" that the moon is made of green cheese - don't make it so. The USPS handle a huge volume of mail, they are going to lose a few here and there. Those whose parcels are lost are going to complain. To go on to the conclusion that the USPS is the worst postal service in the world while in the next breath claiming that the Indian Post is stellar and problem-free just flies in the face of everyone's experience and common sense. In short - baloney.
Hey, if anyone wants to mail expensive coins to India, Pakistan, Eastern Europe, Timbuktu via the Road to Mandalay, or BFE go right ahead. Once they get stolen en-route or the member disappears with your coins you can make a post on this very thread and demand to know why the moderators didn't protect you.
I promise not to laugh at you.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Verweis : pnightingaleTo go on to the conclusion that the USPS is the worst postal service in the world while in the next breath claiming that the Indian Post is stellar and problem free just flies in the face of everyone's experience and common sense. In short - baloney.
pnightingale, I just had it all explained to me and figured out, then you come along and undo it. Which baloney is the right baloney.
Anyone and everyone with a bit of common sense knows, that parcels to/from USA, Canada, Australia, UK, Germany and a handful of others, have targets on them because they come from or go to where the money is. Having a person or two get caught for mail theft proves that the system works and takes mail seriously. Other countries have to stage rallies to get attention from their governments and politicians on really serious issues (ex. child rape). It is simple, when it comes to "Danger Zones" it means the local government has no interest in investigating a gov't service like post.
Hmm,
I have just joined this forum, and had hoped to be able to swap some of my surplus. However having read this thread I am not so sure now.
I thought E Bay was bad enough, but this sounds worse.
I know there are good and bad, but.... I would like to think I am wrong,
Someone tell me I am?
Geoff.
Verweis : geoffhobsonHmm,
I have just joined this forum, and had hoped to be able to swap some of my surplus. However having read this thread I am not so sure now.
I thought E Bay was bad enough, but this sounds worse.
I know there are good and bad, but.... I would like to think I am wrong,
Someone tell me I am?
Geoff.
If you want to swap some of your surplus, fist of all tell us what you have for swap and what you are looking for
Numista is a beautiful and safe website. There are many very nice people on it.
Of course, some scammers, cheaters, swindlers,etc.
But all of us we try to isolate them and throw them away from the "community". So, don't worry!
You are welcome.
jean (from Paris)
Je ne collectionne que les euros, et notamment les commémoratives
Verweis : pnightingaleSo.... it's safe to mail coins to India because some guy on the interwebs says so? Same guy who think the Polish postal service is efficient.....? Try asking a few Poles about that one.
Look, I can provide internet links which "prove" that the moon is made of green cheese - don't make it so. The USPS handle a huge volume of mail, they are going to lose a few here and there. Those whose parcels are lost are going to complain. To go on to the conclusion that the USPS is the worst postal service in the world while in the next breath claiming that the Indian Post is stellar and problem-free just flies in the face of everyone's experience and common sense. In short - baloney.
Hey, if anyone wants to mail expensive coins to India, Pakistan, Eastern Europe, Timbuktu via the Road to Mandalay, or BFE go right ahead. Once they get stolen en-route or the member disappears with your coins you can make a post on this very thread and demand to know why the moderators didn't protect you.
I promise not to laugh at you.
Go ahead making Racist statements... go ahead and check out the website of Frank Robinson a reputed dealer of Albany NY who has listed USPS as a deadbeat. Try sending a customer care email to USPS and getting a resolution from them. A simple Google search will prove how reliable USPS is:- http://www.consumeraffairs.com/delivery/usps_stolen.html
After reading the above if any European members wants to risk sending mails to USA go ahead.
The whole world outsources their IT and back end to India which comes via postal or electronic channels without any issues.
Verweis : shamikbCanada and the USA are "danger zones" as far as post is concerned.
Really, they do not appear to be "Danger Zones" to each other. I have over a couple of decades of experience, sending and receiving mail with no declaration, insurance, explanation and no theft between these two countries. I guess you and I have been very lucky so far. Thanks for the heads up.
It's a shame that Chandan Nandy from Bangalore disagrees with you. Reach out, tell him how things have changed and see if he will write a more positive article. Send us a link.
Chandan Nandy is from the press and his job is to write news like that to keep the postal authorities on their toes.
Verweis : pnightingaleTo go on to the conclusion that the USPS is the worst postal service in the world while in the next breath claiming that the Indian Post is stellar and problem free just flies in the face of everyone's experience and common sense. In short - baloney.
pnightingale, I just had it all explained to me and figured out, then you come along and undo it. Which baloney is the right baloney.
Anyone and everyone with a bit of common sense knows, that parcels to/from USA, Canada, Australia, UK, Germany and a handful of others, have targets on them because they come from or go to where the money is. Having a person or two get caught for mail theft proves that the system works and takes mail seriously. Other countries have to stage rallies to get attention from their governments and politicians on really serious issues (ex. child rape). It is simple, when it comes to "Danger Zones" it means the local government has no interest in investigating a gov't service like post.
What about USA? Read the papers and read about child kidnapping and child rapes (Castro brothers)....
The maximum rallies take place in the USA...
Rallies are a part of democracy
" Danger Zones" very much include the USA as far is post is concerned, as far as terrorism is concerned and as far as postal thieves are concerned
Now what you you mean " Where the money is" - India, Brazil, South Africa are among the worlds 10 largest economies - so does it mean there is no money there?
Common sense is not very common unfortunately.
pnightingale is an out and out racist - see his statement about the Poles. I have been swapping with Poland for over 10 years and get registered letters delivered there in a week and receive letters in a week without any problems. In Poland you need to pay $7 for registered mail for a week's delivery time.
In the USA you need to pay $19 for registered mail and they deliver letters after 3 weeks (that is if they do not lose the letter). The letter takes 7 days minimum to leave the USA. So USPS is far more expensive and far less efficient than Polish Post... check my statistics out with a Polish member and you will see who is right.
The plain and simple fact is that there are thieves everywhere - no country can be classified as a danger zone as such. There are problems with slow mail from these countries - Russia, Colombia (stolen mail too), Venezuela, and Central Asian Republics (because mail transits through Russia) but it does not mean members are dishonest there.
I have been swapping with and have got some of my best coins and stamps from Antigua, Tajikistan, Syria, and others. Mail from Tajikistan takes 6 months to reach me but it does reach.
Members have to exercise their common sense on who is a fraud and who is a genuine collector. Members like Dark Arkans (Belgian) who have expensive 2 Euro sede vacante coins, Silver Belgian and Ethiopian coins for swap and have no ratings should be asked to send a scan of their coins and their registration slips before sending them coins.
That's the only way to avoid fraud. There are plenty of cheats in Numista in North America and West Europe so just restricting trade to these zones will not help.
I'm pretty sure that the intentions of shami-whatever are self-serving. Nothing wrong with that however the introduction of a new level of abrasiveness and playing of the race card is beneath contempt.
You sir are a manipulator of the highest order and a liar. Simply repeating the same disproven claims doesn't change the simple facts that everyone is aware of except for you.
Your accusation of racism is both offensive and unfounded. You think I have a "racist" problem with Poles? Quite apart from the fact that "Pole" isn't a race, acknowledging the shortcomings of their mail service is not "racist".
I lived and worked in Poland, I have a son who is Polish and some of my oldest friends and one ex-wife are Polish. I love the country, love the people, and for you to suggest otherwise is irresponsible, dishonest and entirely without foundation. Making such unfounded accusations against a fellow collector simply on the grounds that he has a different opinion is contemptible.
I have nothing further to say to such a rude, ignorant and deceitful person. I will ask you to simply ignore me as I intend to ignore you.
Good day sir and goodbye.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Verweis : pnightingaleI'm pretty sure that the intentions of shami-whatever are self-serving. Nothing wrong with that however the introduction of a new level of abrasiveness and playing of the race card is beneath contempt.
You sir are a manipulator of the highest order and a liar. Simply repeating the same disproven claims doesn't change the simple facts that everyone is aware of except for you.
Your accusation of racism is both offensive and unfounded. You think I have a "racist" problem with Poles? Quite apart from the fact that "Pole" isn't a race, acknowledging the shortcomings of their mail service is not "racist".
I lived and worked in Poland, I have a son who is Polish and some of my oldest friends and one ex-wife are Polish. I love the country, love the people, and for you to suggest otherwise is irresponsible, dishonest and entirely without foundation. Making such unfounded accusations against a fellow collector simply on the grounds that he has a different opinion is contemptible.
I have nothing further to say to such a rude, ignorant and deceitful person. I will ask you to simply ignore me as I intend to ignore you.
Good day sir and goodbye.
Serdecznie pozdrawiam....
Jean
Je ne collectionne que les euros, et notamment les commémoratives
Verweis : pnightingaleI'm pretty sure that the intentions of shami-whatever are self-serving. Nothing wrong with that however the introduction of a new level of abrasiveness and playing of the race card is beneath contempt.
You sir are a manipulator of the highest order and a liar. Simply repeating the same disproven claims doesn't change the simple facts that everyone is aware of except for you.
Your accusation of racism is both offensive and unfounded. You think I have a "racist" problem with Poles? Quite apart from the fact that "Pole" isn't a race, acknowledging the shortcomings of their mail service is not "racist".
I lived and worked in Poland, I have a son who is Polish and some of my oldest friends and one ex-wife are Polish. I love the country, love the people, and for you to suggest otherwise is irresponsible, dishonest and entirely without foundation. Making such unfounded accusations against a fellow collector simply on the grounds that he has a different opinion is contemptible.
I have nothing further to say to such a rude, ignorant and deceitful person. I will ask you to simply ignore me as I intend to ignore you.
Good day sir and goodbye.
This is the statement made by p.nightingale who has a temerity to call me a liar. "Same guy who think the Polish postal service is efficient.....? Try asking a few Poles about that one." and he thinks he is not racist towards Poland. Is this above comment not ignorant?
We have a statement by szmata and myself on the efficiency of Polish Post
Here read this from a senior US dealer who is an ex Judge http://www.fsrcoin.com/deadbeat.htm
"Frank S. Robinson's DEADBEAT LIST
Warning: The following have refused to pay for merchandise sent to them on approval or otherwise engaged improper conduct (the most recent are generally listed first):
Zahar Kremer (Germany) on eBay as "coinsverwalter"
U.S. Postal Service (refusal to pay insurance claims on stolen registerered packages)"
Read his entire list of deadbeats and you will find most of the cheats are from North America
Now who is making disproven claims - me or p.nightingale?
Can p.nightingale prove I am a liar and am making self-serving claims?
I am from India and here the only problem is with unregistered mail - no issues with registered mail.
And Unlike in Canada or USA when a theft is reported India Post authorities do not send automated problems but try to solve the problem.
Can this p.nightingale - who is making overtly racist comments of the highest order and is a liar and a self-important manipulator - prove that there is any problems with Registered airmail in India and other non North American West Europe countries, which are more than the pilferage happening in North America?
QED I hereby prove p.nightingale is ignorant, deceitful and a liar of the first order
My original post was to warn people about cheats like swapose/soccerqueen Canada, Dark Arkans of Belgium, and to get a list of people who have been cheated by Ronaldas, so that I can do something about it with my contacts.
Unfortunately the posts have degenerated into racist comments by a self-important boorish person like
p.nightingale who clearly has no idea of what is he talking about and makes self-contradictory claims.
I request everyone in the forum to avoid paying attention to comments by people like p.nightingale and listen to sane voices like Neves07
"Yes we know that this world is full of crooks and people who swindle and cheat, unfortunately Numista and it's community of honest coin collectors are not immune from this. What I do not like is the labelling that follows after a person gets swindled. Example I send a swap proposal to a gentlemen in France my response back was how he got swindled before from a guy in Canada therefore he did not want to trade with me. My question is why I do pay for other people's deceptions? People instead of segregating themselves should just be more careful and go through a persons profile more carefully. I too was swindled recently by Ronaldas, should I now only trade with people in North America cause Europe is no loner "safe"? No, I learnt my lesson and I will just take extra precautions. If everyone started to shutout areas cause a swindler came from one country then no-one would ever swap. Every place is full of swindlers - just be smart and cautious not ignorant and cold"
If p.nightingale and torontokuba have something to say on how to screen thieves they should do so, instead on making comments labelling countries as "Danger zones".
Verweis : torontokubaHaving a person or two get caught for mail theft proves that the system works and takes mail seriously. Other countries have to stage rallies to get attention from their governments and politicians on really serious issues (ex. child rape). It is simple, when it comes to "Danger Zones" it means the local government has no interest in investigating a gov't service like post.
With the above, I have responded to the article and anything else that takes place in the US or other civilized parts of the world.
You are missing the point. Public outcry and rallies should not be required, in order for gov't authorities to do their best to protect the public or enforce the most important laws. If they are required for child rape, what chances do we have for enforcing mail laws. Nil. Careless gov't leads to "Danger Zones". I have no interest in sending coins to any place I see as a cesspool. See how the poor are living and treated in some of these large economies you mention. Then, fall back on one of my favourite quotes... "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." --Ghandi
If you still don't get it, I can have my telemarketer call your telemarketer with a more detailed explanation.
Verweis : torontokubaHaving a person or two get caught for mail theft proves that the system works and takes mail seriously. Other countries have to stage rallies to get attention from their governments and politicians on really serious issues (ex. child rape). It is simple, when it comes to "Danger Zones" it means the local government has no interest in investigating a gov't service like post.
With the above, I have responded to the article and anything else that takes place in the US or other civilized parts of the world.
You are missing the point. Public outcry and rallies should not be required, in order for gov't authorities to do their best to protect the public or enforce the most important laws. If they are required for child rape, what chances do we have for enforcing mail laws. Nil. Careless gov't leads to "Danger Zones". I have no interest in sending coins to any place I see as a cesspool. See how the poor are living and treated in some of these large economies you mention. Then, fall back on one of my favourite quotes... "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." --Ghandi
If you still don't get it, I can have my telemarketer call your telemarketer with a more detailed explanation.
I repeat child rape exists in the USA as well and the police do not do anything about it (read the recent news article on Castro brothers).
I have already given you the proof on how great US post and Canada post is in terms of pilferage and
I have also given you proof that they do not do anything about it. No insurance or refunds are paid.
Coins were being minted in India and the Middle East when there was no civilisation in North America - so "civilised world" is a very debatable denomination.
As for your comment on Gandhi quote: Animals are very well treated in India - Cows are sacred and 60% of the population is vegeterian.
The poor are treated equally badly in the USA. In India at least you can get a meal for 25 US cents.
If you want to have a further debate come on to facebook.
This is a coin forum and not a forum for showing your political views
Verweis : shamikbIf you want to have a further debate come on to facebook.
This is a coin forum and not a forum for showing your political views.
No thanks. So far, your full page responses have been too long and for me, not very convincing. Animals are treated well and Slumdog Millionaire won 8 out of 10 Oscars, congratulations. I'll stay with my opinion, you stay with yours.
Verweis : shamikbCan all those who were cheated by Ronaldas PM me their names and the amount they got cheated of?
I have located a Lithuanian collector in Kaunas who is ready to go and have a talk with Ronaldas and give him a hard time.
Also if the moderator could send me the email address of Ronaldas it would be useful.
I have also been cheated with Ronaldas. I noticed that today. I have mailed my coins 26 April, 22 coins around 10 euros worth. Now I'm very pissed off. Not a bad idea to go and discuss with Mr. Ronaldas (with big hands).
Verweis : torontokubaWOW! How does Numista allow 18 negative feedbacks to take place in 24 days? I wonder who is going to try and beat that record at the expense of Numista members? Until an explanation and real life, feasible deterrents are put in place, I will keep my defenses on high alert. Swapping with the same reliable circle, will be enough for me. What a shame.
Currently tempted to delete all of this. Also, no one is tracking anyone down. You lost $200. What are you doing exchanging $200 dollars of coins with someone?
For now, I am locking this discussion...if you could call it that?
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